Juan Dixon acquired for Brezec

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  1. TaS

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    I don't like the argument that since Dale Davis rarely played last year, that he can't add value this year. He's a defensive specialist who is very strong and effective against bigger players.

    Here are just a few Dale stats from last year to get you guys to start thinking about what he can do:

    When he was on the court, we got 53.3% of the rebounds, vs. 48.7% when he was off. The % improvement with him was equally split between offensive and defensive boards.

    We allowed an eFG of 44% when he was out there and 48% when he wasn't.

    We outscored our opponents by 6.4 points per 100 possessions with him vs. 4.5 points without him. We committed fewer fouls and consequently, gave up less free throws.

    41% of his shot attempts were dunks or tip-ins.

    He played well with CB, Rip, Tay, + either Sheed or Dyess.
     
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    I agree slip. Even if there's truth to the fact that this trade was done so that we can release Murray and bring in Davis, I still don't like it. I also don't buy it. Why not just release Murray and sign Dale Davis directly and just forget about the trade? I just don't see the point in this trade at all. It seems like a deal for deal's sake.

    There's already a log jam at guard as it is - even if we do release Murray. I'd much rather see Afflalo and Stuckey get the minutes. We still have Hunter and Hayes for depth.

    I'd rather have an extra Big (even if just for emergency depth) than a 10th guard.
     
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    Dale Davis was awesome last year and I would much rather have to count on him as opposed to Max and AJ if we needed to make some crucial stops.
     
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    I don't know when the official roster deadline is for the playoffs, but I know it isn't yet. Otherwise, everyone that was traded at the deadline would be ineligible for the post season.

    I don't see any reason why DD wouldn't be eligible for the playoffs if he was signed in the near future.

    I got this from an article on RealGM:
    I also read somewhere that the Pistons were also sending Toronto "Cash considerations" in the deal.

    RealGM Toronto Raptors Front Office
     
  6. lpgrl26

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    I'm reserving judgement, but what we need is help up-front like yesterday. We don't even play small-ball anyway (thank god!). What's the point of all these guards?

    CLE will slaughter us. I wish Max was taller. :pout:
     
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    Thank you, he, he. I must have looked at the detnews, mlive and free press sites 1000 times hoping to find the silver lining in this.
     
  8. lpgrl26

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    http://http://info.detnews.com/redesign/blogs/pistonsblog/index.cfm?CFID=7796968&CFTOKEN=41919746
    I don't get it. Afflalo gets limited PT. We start losing, perimeter players start lighting us up again. So our solution is to play him less?

    He CHANGED that BOS game. That was a play-off atmosphere. Why is is always about offense?! WGAF. We've been giving up 100+ points the last two games.

    Didn't Afflalo just finish fighting hs way back into the rotation anyway? So LH is back, is he suppose stop everyone by himself. Do we not need other defenders?

    I'm completely confused what we're doing ? I have been since the KT deal.
     
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    Perhaps Afflalo's 19% 3-point shooting for the year and his 31% FG shooting over the last 2 months has Joe D a little worried.
     
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    As long shot guess, pehaps this is the prelude to something big? Like Billups or Rip getting moved. Or maybe he got a great initial offer for Stucky and is trying to get some depth before hand.
     
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    Time to bring back Samb and test him out while we still have 10 games or so to experiment with. If he can block and misdirect a few shots, that may be all we need even it is for just 6-7 minutes. The old dogs might have the experience, but do they have the athleticism to keep up with those twentysomethems. Why wait until next season for Samb?? The window is closing fast on Sheed and Dice....and that latter hasn't stopped anybody lately and those other two youngsters tay and Max are too inconsitent to be relied on with out another body thrown out there when one of them decides to disappear.
     
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    I get that, but our defense has been the reason for the last two losses, and Afflalo usually plays with a majority of the starters most of the time anyway.

    I just don't think our offense is a major problem even with the bench. It's more the (bad) shots that we take, and strange rotations.

    The glaring need is a center. Everything else is good enough. Besides if we were going to after offense we should've picked up Brent Barry off waiver wire.
     
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    I think Stuckey and Afflalo have shown glimpses of promise for the future, but Dumars isn't convinced these guys are 2008 playoff-ready. That's why Juan Dixon is now on-board.
     
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    It would make sense for cash to be included in the deal, if the Raptors have the same ownership as the Leafs. That entertainment group is all about the bottom line, not winning. I could see them selling end of the bench players....
     
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    Toronto has a full cadre of mediocre guards and Juan found his way to the bottom of that barrell. I don't buy it. We've already moved a number of cast offs through here with no success. Mo Evans. Flip Murray. Nazr Mohammad. Jarvis Hayes. What makes Dixon any different?
     
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    That makes sense in theory if Juan Dixon was actually good. I'm not sure you would want him playing in the play-offs either. He was awful in TOR.
     
  17. Abe Froemen

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    If I am not mistaken Dixon won a title at Maryland was ACC player of the year and the mvp of the final 4. I dont live and die college bball but I remember this kid was a force. Joe likes guys who play with heart,(Afflalo) and guys who play 4 years of college ball.
     
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    We need another big body but big bodies are not always hanging low on the trees near by road side.
    Might be JD was just doing a favor to the Raps by this swap while we didn't have to sacrifice anything, sometimes a trade may unnecessarily to be a beneficent one.
    Recently, I was wondering why don't we have some partnerships like Memphis / Lakers, Celitcs / Timb, Sonics / Spurs or even Cavls / Bulls.
     
  19. FreshPrince22

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    If Juan Dixon was magically transformed into a decent player, it would be a decent move. But the guy is obviously worse than the options we've already got on this team.

    And I have always thought this "don't play young guys in the playoffs" thing was an absolute joke. Rookies in particular are some of the most dangerous players on the court in the post-season. Go ask Daniel Gibson or Tayshaun. You don't bring in a proven scrub vet to take their minutes in the playoffs just because you're scared there's a chance they might not do well in the playoffs.
     
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    Absolutley pointless trade, we dont need ANOTHER guard, and Dixon isnt better than any of the guards we do have already. At least Primoz gave us a bit of depth up front.
     

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