Kidd to Mavs heating up again

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  1. Dumars4Ever

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    I agree completely. Generally, I think Cuban has been a very good owner, but man, the string of screw-ups that are derailing this deal are completely ridiculous.
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    NJ did sign Elden, after he told them he absolutely did not want to play there. Then after EC sat depressed about it for several weeks, they finally cut him and he went back to the Pistons. That's as far as I remember, at least.
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    Lose-lose.
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    Nets can win if Harris lives up to potential

    or if they get a late draft pick steal ala Josh Howard style
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    No doubt. Two first-round draft picks is nothing to sneeze at....whatever that means.
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    Exactly right round. The rule wasn't in place when Lindsey was traded and then re-signed. That's the difference.
  9. CloudWalker

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    It seems that is the case, though it wont matter now that apparently the Mavs have put another deal on the table....no George or Stackhouse?


    George will not be a happy boy this summer when his Bird rights are not even a factor in his next deal. Whatever that was all about. He's not worth anything close to what his bird rights would have secured.
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    I think George (and his agent) really hurt himself with this move, IMO.
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    Hes sort of a malcontent now isn't he?

    Except not in the good Ben Wallace way.
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    Kidd will make a difference but not a championship difference and to me that is the key. if the mavs do not win the championship this year or next, the trade will not be good. jason kidd is a back spasm away from being out the next three or four weeks. i have no respect for him, the way he played this year for new jersey. i saw 4 nets games in person this year and both he played horribly....i think he did this on purpose to force a trade.

    i wish this trade blows up in the mavs and kidd's face big time.....it just has to.....just to show that you cannot tank for one team just to force a trade to a contender.........Here is hoping the gods of basketball can show kidd a real rough time.
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    Kidd looked pretty darn impressive running the offense in today's all-star game! Wow, that guy is an amazing passer.
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    Agreed .

    I lost track of how many times he made me say "Wow.."
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    I think you speak for everyone there.

    Well, his ex-wife probably forgot the first 'w', but it's close enough.
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    oh...thats not right :pound:
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    Kidd will slow them down compared to what they were with Harris running the point.

    Harris is quicker than Kidd and is actually a pretty good shooter. As everyone knows Kidd can't shoot worth sheet.

    Giving up Diop could hurt. He has been a valuable rebounder off of the bench in limited minutes.

    If you watched the Nets play at all this year, they basically had no inside game. With Kidd not being to hit an outside jumper the defense would collapse down low and force Carter and Jefferson to chuck them from the cheep seats, either 3s or long 2s.

    With Kidd's arrival this will force Dirk to the perimeter and probably eliminate Dallas inside game.

    All Kidd is good for anymore is passing on the fast break and getting rebounds.

    I think Dirks' numbers on offense go down and Howard's will go up as he will get more fast break baskets than in the past.

    Net, net I think the trade was a big mistake for Dallas. I don't see this trade getting them to the Finals and Kidd will be 35 in 5 weeks.

    :hoops:
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    Harris is just as impotent from the perimeter.

    The older I get the more I appreciate the effect a wizened player with experience and tact can have on the game from the point position.

    I'm surprised you don't buddha, as grey as your hair has gotten lately. :)

    I agree though...the Mavs won't make it to the finals.
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    I don't agree with you at all on this.

    Harris has improved significantly from distance this year. He is shooting .357 this year on 3s.

    Kidd is shooting .356 on 3s.

    Harris is getting better at 3s.

    Kidd is getting older.

    As far as experience goes.

    Kidd had Carter and Jefferson and NJ is last or second last in scoring
    Kidd will have Dirk and Howard at Dallas

    Yes Carter's game has fallen off, but the fact is that as far as offensive goes Dirk and Howard are not that much better than Carter and Jefferson.

    Harris is young and getting better. Kidd is older and getting worse.
    Losing Diop will really hurt the Mavs interior play from their bench guys.

    I have followed Kidd's game from his days at Cal. He may be wiser now as a point guard than he was at Cal but his aging body is not compensating for it.

    Increased experience does not make up for declining physical skills, otherwise older players would never retire.

    When you get older hopefully you learn not to follow the media hype and think for yourself.


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