Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by himat, Feb 13, 2008.
Do you call nearly averaging a triple double playing horribly on purpose? Even Lebra can't do that.
The main job of a point guard is too make the rest of the team better on offense.
Kidd had Carter and Jefferson at NJ and NJ was still third last in scoring.
Triple doubles don't mean squat as a point guard if your team can't score especially when you have two offensive players like Jefferson and Carter.
If you watched NJ this year their offense was in total disarray. A friggen disaster. I saw one of Kidd's last game with the Nets when they recently played and lost to the Lakers at home. The Nets offense was terrible and Kidd was the point guard.
If the Nets keep sucking - post trade, anybody wanna make a serious run at Diop over the summer???
This one is waaaaaaaay toooo easy to get myself in trouble over.
We already have a DeSagana Diop. ...We just call him Cheikh Samb.
Cheick Samb is only half of a Diop.
The better half, maybe, but not the more useful half.
Don't remind me. The Mourning situation makes me sick just to think about it again
Carter and Jefferson are both streak shooters that become one dimensional players when their shot isn't falling.
They are only hyped by the media to be anything else
Do you have any sort of measurable standard of correlation to prove or disprove your comparison of Dirk/Howard and Jefferson/Carter as it relates to the total PPG output, FG% of the team, etc ? Or are we just going to make up standards as we go along?
Kidd can still pass, especially in a broken field. Problems with that: Dallas plays an extremely slow game; there aren't many fast breaks in their offense.
Kidd can pass in halfcourt sets, especially when there's off-ball movement. Problems with that: Dallas plays isolation basketball, so Kidd wouldn't have the ball in his hands anywhere near as much as he'd like. Dallas's better scorers don't like to move without the ball. Kidd's become one of the worst scorers in the NBA, so he can't run the pick-and-roll much.
Kidd's triple-doubles will dry up now that he's playing alongside Dampier, Nowitzki, and Howard, and defensively he's an absolute turnstile against quicker guards like - I don't know, Tony Parker, Chris Paul, Rafer Alston, Derek Fisher, Steve Nash, Allen Iverson, and Monta Ellis. He can guard bigger points and swingmen, but Terry can't guard anyone.
I don't think he's playing below his capability; I think he just isn't that good anymore, at least good enough where his talents completely outweigh his flaws.
As for Harris, he's got quick feet and the refs buy his flops, but he'll get torched by bigger guards, he doesn't see the floor well at all, and his jumpshot is not good. Maybe he'll improve his shot, maybe he won't; but he'll never be a great point guard.
Go ahead. Give it a shot.
I suggest looking at the Mav's ppg
Right now they are averaging 99.3 ppg with a + 3.9 ppg differential.
NJ is now averaging 93.6 ppg with a negative differential of 5.3 ppg
Let us see what they are at the end of the year.
Your post seems to me to correctly assess the situation.
Re-worked possible deal:
ESPN - Nets, Mavs appear closer to finishing redone Kidd trade - NBA
If Joe could somehow land Diop THIS season, - I'd say YES!
But over the summer there's gonna be a TON of FAs available. And Samb will have one more off-season to eat cheeseburgers and develop his game.
Wow. So they are going to get Jason Kidd AND keep George? What a coup.
And Stack too without him takin 30 days rest.
Pretty unbelievable some of the deals these Western teams have pulled off -- whether they work out or not.
Sloan and Pop gotta be pissed.
Oh yeah, forgot about that. Now, I would say this is a great trade for them.
Well in the end only one of those deals will workout as it relates to getting to the finals this eason. The laker deal is the only one that will possibly pay dividends beyond this year, (depending on how Greg Oden develops in the NW), but it would be a hoot if the Hornets or Jazz actually win out this season leaving the major traders pondering what went wrong...
The mav's will self destruct and so will Phoenix. The mavs are letting thier big man go. They are going to take a turn for the worst unless they make another move.
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