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This is an excellent point. Hammond will deal straight with JD and let him know the match points for Villanueva. The sooner the better. Locking up Villanueva quickly opens up new out-West territory.
I think that article is drivel. I do think Hammond would do Joe a solid by taking Amir. Illwaukee is the last stop in the NBA unless they put a team in Siberia. They'll play whoever shows up.
This would be great. We need another jump-shooting big man and on the plus side he can't play defense!
Hammond the shill?
I hope not.
what's villanueva's deal anyways!?
he never averages that many points, but he goes off for 40+ probably 2 or 3 times a season!? Sort of like Jamal Crawford. Is that a sign that he's got a high ceiling still? He's pretty young. I remember that he was a stud coming out of high school. Almost went straight to the pros. Anyone?
Villanueva has upside. He can be a 20+8 forward on a good team. He's got range, and he's at least average on the boards.
He's weak in his core, not really a post player (but has a soft touch at the rim) and isn't a hard nosed defender. He's pretty soft on D.
To be honest, he's got a lot more upside than Boozer, a lot less risk, and has more range.
Boozer vs. Villanueva last season
Player Comparison Finder - Basketball-Reference.com
Note the 36 minute stats.
If he's our big man acquisition of the summer then I officially give up on Dumars.
Who the hell is going to play some defense in this new front court? Kwame can guard the post up, but CV is atrocious and Jason Maxiell doesn't do defense, only blocks shots.
Do you like Boozer? Villanueva gets to the line just as much, is a decent 3 point shooter, has an a face up game, and shoots over 80% from the line. Not to mention, he is 3 years younger than Boozer, and doesn't have the questions about his heart. He's played hurt before.
I'll admit he's soft, but Joe is not going to go out in one offseason, and acquire championship caliber player after championship caliber player.
When Joe signed Billups and traded for Hamilton, there weren't many people who thought that would be an All-Star backcourt.
Now I'm not saying Charlie V or Ben Gordon will be All-Stars one day, but it's hard to see the future 2 or 3 years down the road.
.450 fg% is the Mendoza line for big men (and Sheed was part of that too). I understand that he's a face-up shooter. And there are successful chuckers at the 4 around the league, but if we're entertaining the thought of Ben Gordon (and IMO we should) there are only gonna be so many shots to go around. And that's not including Stuckey's increased role in the offense.
Villanueva won't command any double teams in the post, and we saw how that worked last year. We're not a team with great shooters from a distance, and if we're gonna be successful (even if BG is part of our plans) we're gonna need the open shots, not the threes that Sheed, and likely CV, are going to jack up. We haven't had a reliable post game since who?
And call this selective reasoning, but I don't think Boozer was right at all last year. PPG down 5 and FG% down at least 50 points from the year before (and even THAT will be 50 points more than CV, and perhaps 60 from Sheed). Offensively the man was just out of sync.
As injury prone as he is, he's never played not hurt
Villanueva and the Cavs
Excerpts from todays Cleveland Plain Dealer Reporter
"Over the past six months, the Cavaliers' front office has been in the business of creating and then evaluating options to alter the team's roster. At the trade deadline in February they decided to hold off; now the team might be getting ready to pounce.
Multiple league sources indicated Tuesday that the Cavs are now mulling some offers to move up significantly from the 30th pick in the draft. Most involve largely economic deals that would require the Cavs to take on salary.
The Cavs' array of options could have changed somewhat Tuesday as the Milwaukee Bucks and Washington Wizards agreed to major trades expected to be completed today. The Cavs were believed to have been in talks with both.
The San Antonio Spurs acquired small forward Richard Jefferson from the Bucks for veterans Kurt Thomas, Fabricio Oberto and Bruce Bowen. It is a salary-dump deal for Milwaukee, not unlike the trade it made with the Cavs last season for Mo Williams. The Bucks then flipped Oberto to the Detroit Pistons for young forward Amir Johnson.
The Cavs had some discussions with the Bucks involving Jefferson in February but were not believed to be seriously looking at him this time around. However, the Bucks' moves could change some of the Cavs' strategy.
All three players the Bucks picked up in the trades have expiring contracts and it saves the team the $15 million Jefferson was owed for next season. Bowen's contract is partially guaranteed so the moves could save the Bucks around $5 million this season if they cut him.
The trades, it seems, were aimed to free up money to re-sign restricted free agents Ramon Sessions and Charlie Villanueva. The Cavs are said to be targeting Villanueva, a young and talented power forward, as an option to get younger on their front line depth. It was believed that the Bucks might be willing to let Villaneuva go because of their deep salary commitments. Now those have been eased. "
So V still rebounds a little less than Boozer, shoots better from the free throw line, and averages about the same or a few more points than Boozer. He's younger, and neither of them have a very good defensive game? I'd go with Villanueva for sure over Boozer's reputation.
No one in the NBA is "atrocious". It gets a little old when every player who is brought up as a potential acquisition is horrible. A lot of fans (including our fans) could have labeled every one of our 2004 championship team as "horrible/atrocious".
Guess I should have read this thread first before suggesting Charlie in the Amir thread.
CV has a Sprocket Points justified salary of $8.3mm and made $3.4.
CV - 0.85 Sprocket Points per minute
Boozer - 0.95 Sprocket Points per minute
But CV probably has some headroom and we've probably seen Boozer as good as it will get.
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I wouldn't say the LAST stop but one of the bottom 5 for sure.......you're forgetting the Celtics, Bulls, Spurs, Lakers and Cavs.
Oh yeah, the Pacers too.
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