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    Mo seemed to handle Russel Westbrook in OKC pretty well. I imagine it isn't that much of a difference.
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    I like the fact that Smith scowls all the time, and he stomps around and he mugs for the camera and he has a chip on his shoulder.

    This guy is a competitor. I also love he got suspended. Reminds me of some other Pistons with attitude problems like 'Horn, Beer and Wallace.
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    Be honest, guys. We were straight up talking ourselves out of Josh Smith because we never believed we actually had a shot at him. Small-market syndrome.

    With that said, I think we now have all the pieces in place for a blockbuster deal for Jimmer.
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    I would rather watch Logan's Run.

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    The book is much better than the movie.
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    I'd rather have J. Smith tacked onto this team than Howard. Grittier, more attitude, and no redundancy with Drummond.
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    Firstly, just let me say, awesome post. I love this kind of discussion.

    I agree with the idea behind the post, and correlation does not equal causation. But if you look at all the great defenders who pass the eye test - Lebron, Tony Allen etc - they all have stats that match what we already know. They defend their position well and it shows up in stats like PER against. I'm not saying that putting Smith at the 3 is going to make every person he plays against look like Mbah a Moute on offense, I'm just saying that it shows what we already know. Monroe is not a good defender and he played in a bad system. This may have compounded the issue, it may not have. Smith is a very good defender, who has great length and lateral movement and it shows both on the court and in the advanced metrics.

    I don't think that defensive stats are the be all and end all. In fact they are fairly undeveloped. But, on the defensive end, Monroe doesn't hold a candle to Smith. That specific stat was a single back up point.


    Of course, but Smith played at the centre position for roughly 5-10% of his minutes and he really contained opposing centres. They were probably back up big men - and I happily concede this point. But this just reflects that he is a versatile defender - who is arguably tons more useful because he can switch off a screen from a small forward to a centre and still be extremely effective.

    This team has massive holes. Except at centre. Which as you pointed out, is the position Monroe plays. Drummond also plays centre and I will be surprised if he isn't on the all star ballot next year. PF is a hole. Since I am doubtful that Monroe will actually re-sign here, is trading a guy who will probably leave anyway for someone who is at least equally good and will stay for longer and fill a hole in our roster such a bad thing?

    Josh Smith happens to be one of those people, you give up a bit of offense for a bit of defense. Everything is a trade off. I love Monroe, don't get me wrong, but at this stage you have to have doubts about his longevity with the team.




    Fun to watch means people will be there. If no one is going to come even if it is interesting, how do you justify a multi million dollar tax bill to an owner? These guys make tonnes of money owning these teams. You are asking them to compromise that profitability when no one is really interested. No business ever spent money on customers it doesn't have. You build the base, and then you hone the product.
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    Smith and Drummond both have amazing defensive versatility on switches. Monroe to a lesser degree, but good between PFs and Cs. Drummond's signature move last year was probably his repeated pocket picks of PGs. That's crazy versatility.

    If screens don't work on us, then we can get the benefit of a zone defense without having the weaknesses.
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    We could send Sacramento a first rounder and absorb Jimmer's salary, right?
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    Give me 13 8 5 three reasons to pick him up...:)
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    I don't understand the question.
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    Why should we add him to our roster?
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    point guard with unusually good 3-point shot.
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    Why? I'm really confused.
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    Found this video of CJ on the youtubes:

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    Jimmer- some stats from 2013

    scoring rate per minute would put him a hair behind Will Bynum and he'd be 2nd on our team
    .417 from deep (would be top guard on our team)
    .546 TS% (#1 guard)
    .500 eFG (#1 guard)
    14.6 PER (would be our 2nd highest guard behind Bynum)


    Seems like a fantastic bench combo guard and partner for Will the Thrill. Perfect floor spacer, except that we'd give a lot away on the defensive end.
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    Depends if Drummond is still playing with the 2nd unit.
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    He is a below average PG. Not sure that I am super excited about that.
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    He's not a point guard.

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