I totally agree that loyalty should not be expected both ways. That Orlando player was an example of loyalty gone wrong. I also agree that it was stupid for the Pistons to try to be more like Phoenix back in 05-07. - A team that never made it past the 2nd round. But I don't think San Antonio would have been much without Duncan and Parker. They have been the 2 consistant factors throughout and in watching them intensly durning the playoffs I see its still the case. If both have bad games - they lose. The Pistons never had the luck San Antonio had in finding 2 gems in the draft who went on to play long healty careers. We can't buy a friggen break in the lottery and the one year they were in they drew a Tim Duncan.