Like a Phoenix from the Ashes - Charlie Villanueva

I think that Charlie has showcased himself to a point where trading him for Vladimir Radmanovic is definately within the realm of possibility.

First of all, nice that Frank is confident enough in himself to dish out some credit for this to guys that most of us don't even realize are part of the program. Secondly, it's nice to know that there are highly qualified guys like this who are focusing on keeping the bench players engaged. It's got to be good for morale for non rotation players to feel like they are getting attention and that there is somebody noticing their hard work.

The vast majority of non rotation players in the NBA are incredibly talented at some area of the game- usually offense. There are some big bodies that aren't highly skilled that will always have a spot, but most PF's on down to PG's are just missing some ingredient or haven't got their break yet. It makes a lot of sense that when you pair them with a big man that is dominating other team's benches that the talents they do have will be on full display.

I'm pretty sure that if Middleton was subbed in for Daye or if English was subbed in for Singler/ Stuckey, that we could very well be seeing a similar result here.


We've been clamoring for a real NBA front court for years now and it turns out that we were right. If we didn't stink and get them through the draft, just think how much we would have had to pay for Monroe and Drummond!

Joe just did it backwards by going out and getting the somewhat one-dimensional scorers (AI, Ben Gordon, Villaneuva) before he had the personnel to allow them to play their games without hurting the team. We soured on all of those guys because they looked terrible in our system. Gordon is thriving in his new home and now Villanueva and Daye are thriving in their new environment here.

A Pistons legend.

His 3pt shooting of late looked very solid and effortless. And pairing him with Drum makes a lot of sense because he camps out in the 3pt line on offense, opening up the lanes, and Drum can cover CV's deficiencies on defense.

I still don't like him, but at least he's been producing something lately.

I love Maxiell's energy and spirit, but man he's not big enough. The Kings muscled away at least 4 rebounds from him.

More like A Chevy from the airport parking lot.

I think if he can keep this level of playing, or imporving, we can trade him along with maxiell, jerebko and a 2nd rounder to Utah for Millsap.

if there was only a chance to get Kanter. Kanter, Drummond and Monroe and no minutes for anyone else up front.

I call this the The Second Rounder Law - every time someone adds a second round pick to a deal it is always very unbalanced in favor of the team giving up the second round pick. This law never fails unless the person suggesting the trade knows about The Second Rounder Law or it is a minor deal

Roscoe that's the exact reason why. Not all guys can come off the bench and give you solid production, Millsap can. Think about the whole Dyess, Sheed and Ben rotation back in the day; 3 big guys all playing about 30 mpg. There is no drop off to Millsap's game whether he starts of comes off the bench, he's ready to do either one. Look at this team RIGHT now, if you replace Maxiel with Millsap, I think this team would be a WHOLE lot better. Maxiel is a guy who can score 14 points in A game, Millsap averages 14 points PER game.

Max is the anchor on the starting unit, he gives hustle buthustle gets only soo much. He is undersized and lacks a real inside presence. His occasional put back and block are far outweighed by him getting beat like a drum on the boards and his man simply shooting over him like a high schooler over a preschooler.

I'm talking about as a free agent signing this summer.

League fined him $25K.

Didn't seem even close to a flagrant 2.

If it was anyone besides Charlie, I might agree.

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Was the hair on his forearm too course?

He's just such a joke of a defender rhat it's hard to argue he was making a legit defensive play.

I may be a bit blinded by Charlie hate, but when it comes ro Chaz, I have no Pistons blinders.

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Exactly. Looked to me he was making a flailed attempt to block the shot