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Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by Winless Wonders, Feb 10, 2012.
Against teams over .500, Lin ranks as follows on a per minute basis: Scoring: 16th (behind Eric Williams, Durant, James, Bargnani, Melo, Bryant, Love, Rose, Westbrook, Wade, Nowitzki, Ginobili, Aldridge, Ellis, and Irving). Only 2 PG's ahead of him. Assists: 6th (behind Nash, Rubio, Calderon, Williams, and Chris Paul). Notice none of these guys score more than him. Steals: 4th Offensive rebounds: 5th among point guards So, from a very simplistic measure of scoring, assisting, and steals against good teams only, Lin has played at a Superstar level so far this year. I can see why people might start talking. On the pro side: - Has turned around the Knicks team when their all-stars were out - Is scoring at a furious pace - Is assisting with the top 5 PGs in the league - Is stealing the ball as well as anyone On the con side: - Favors his right hand - Turns the ball over at a higher rate than any other PG in the league (but only 1.5 times per 48 minutes more than Steve Nash and Deron Williams) - Has only been playing at a high level for a month/ scouting reports may catch up to him - Average FG% among PGs (about 16th in the league) Time will be the judge. He needs to find a way to get the most out of Melo to take the defensive pressure off of himself.
I understand the stats man. The way i see it is that there are two main factors 1 - the offense which he finds himself in is very pg orientated. Could he have a similar impact in another team? 2 - is his production in decline? what are the expectations now?
When I think of basketball, I think of Forbes.
Certainly these aren't the type of sports articles or references that I would be gazing at when I try to increase my basketball knowledge, but you did provide some links.........so thanks........... I'm just somebody who hates when people just run around sprinkling the word superstar on anybody. We certainly should use the word "star" to describe the rise of Jeremy Lin......but I hold the word superstar in reverence..........for people like Gordie Howe, Isiah Thomas, Barry Sanders, and Justin Verlander. Even the Great NEMO...........whose name I use here, wasn't a superstar, although I admire him greatly.
I'm thinking....and someone please correct me if I'm wrong...that most of the stats and data gathered for this forum come directly from the pages of Forbes magazine.
You're forgetting it's all Linsanity. Stop going linsane. A month from now you'll be debating whether 5 or more turnovers qualifies for blue chip player.
What's with the debate? Forbes settled that he's a superstar so you guys can stop posting stats, thoughts about the D'Antoni system and other nonsense. Do you guys really think Forbes would try to fool CEOs? That's right - CEOs.
I was showing you a split that I assumed you hadn't previously seen (i.e. performance against teams > .500) to address a concern that he doesn't perform well against good teams. As far as them being a PG oriented offense, they have Amare Staudemire and Carmelo Anthony. That seems to me that they are really a SF and PF dominated offense by their makeup. He changed them to be a PG oriented offense and it has worked out better for them since he did that.
Offense style was always PG dominated, see Steve Nash & D'Antoni. I hope you guys realise that I was being sarcastic
So are they.
On the year so far, here is where the Knicks do their scoring (with associated PER) Pos: pts, PER PG: 19.0, 9.8 SG: 15.4, 11.8 SF: 22.8, 14.5 PF: 19.9, 13.9 C: 18.3, 20.4 Melo and Amare lead the scoring at those positions while Chadler dominates the production and efficiency. In terms of assists, the Knicks get about 33% of their assists from the PG position, which is exactly the same as the Pistons. I agree that they are PG dominated now though.
I am talking about D'Antoni running teams. Of course the majority of their points are coming from Melo and Stat. Without an effective point guard, what other scoring options were there? My point is that their coaches style of play both requires a PG and makes that PG [look] good. Refer to Nash under D'Antoni if you don't believe me.
D'Antoni runs the pick n roll to death and yes, that creates a lot of assists and open 15 footers for PGs. ...But Nash IS good and would have been good running almost any offense.
D'Antoni is almost as much of a genius than Slip Flaunders.
Since Forbes is now a top notch source for sports news........I thought I'd add this read. http://www.forbes.com/sites/briansolomon/2011/09/21/forbes-400-sports-team-owners-with-best-records/
Before D'Antoni he wasn't that great. Lin did great today against the Cavs.
13 assists to 1 turnover on the night. I saw the last 5 minutes of the game and there were some incredible passes made. You can really tell that the other guys on the team enjoy playing with him. They were down 17 at one point and then Novak apparently hit 5 threes in the 3rd quarter. That dude can shoot. Since Lin was moved to the starting lineup 13 games ago, Novak has gone 41-86 from 3-point range (48% shooting and almost 10 points per game solely from beyond the arc). Just to repeat, he has hit FORTY-ONE three pointers since Lin. As far as I can tell, nobody in the league has made more over this stretch (Deron Williams has made 38 and Ryan Anderson has made 35 over their last 13 games). In the 12 games that Novak played before Lin, he hit a total of 12 threes. That's a dude that needed a point guard.
If I were that guy, I would buy lunch for Lin every day.
Six losses in a row and the Knicks are on the outside of the playoff picture looking in. Is Linsanity over now?
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