Memo vs Darko

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  1. 16 Mile

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    After 3 quarters tonight, Memo is 23 and 11, and for the season so far, he's 21 and 9. No offense to Darko, I love the kid's potential, and think he will be the real deal, but isnt this the kind of output we were hoping for?

    I used to think Mike James was the biggest loss Detroit had, but starting to think it might be Memo. My questions are: is this a fluke start for the Turk, or is he the real deal; in hind sight should we have matched; would we have been better with Memo off the bench instead of Dice; and any chance Darko and Memo could have been better than the Wallaces?

    Have to think, Memo would be better off the bench than Dice right now, and would definately help the team more in the immediate future than Darko.
     
  2. roscoe36

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    Memo makes more over more years than what we gave Dice.

    The only way to keep Memo was lose Sheed or go into luxury territory. That's a call from the the top.

    Btw, you must have missed Mem's #s from 2 games ago against New Jersey. 2 points, no boards in 15 odd minutes. He actually got pulled for playing so poorly. He's still pretty inconsistent.
     
  3. mercury

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    Micro, going into the lux tax to keep Memo was not an option because we had no bird rights on him.
    It was simply Sheed or Memo
     
  4. LanierFan

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    I like Memo. He could always score and rebound. But he doesn't do it consistently, as has been noted. And he's still a knucklehead with questionable conditioning and deficient defense. Only now we can ignore all the bad games and point out the occasional good one.

    He made a good deal for himself, and so did the Pistons.
     
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    mercs right

    Mercs right. The problem was compounded by Sheeds becoming a free agent. Memo wanted the money, he was getting decent minutes and would've got more had he stayed for less green. But Dumars had already installed a tracking device on McDyess back in January and had made his mind up. 24mil for McDyess made him a great 6th man and a great value for a later trade. The green he gets can get you a lot of different players should you decide to entertain offers, it's an 'upside' contract that won't choke a horse.
     
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    Darko Wil Never Put Up Memo Numbers

    It is now Darko's 3rd year and he is still riding the pine. Darko has a lot of skills put I don't believe he will ever be a double double man like Memo could be this year.

    For a 7' 250lb guy Darko is an autrocious rebounder. He should be getting 1 board every 3 minutes he is on the floor, worst case. For his career he has 93 rebounds in 447 minutes or less than 1 rebound every 4.5 minutes. This is horrible for a guy his size. Even this year he only has 7 rebounds in the 34 minutes he has played, so he is obviously not improving in that area.

    Unless Darko can develop into an excellent outside shooter his NBA career will be relegated to a journeyman type career, because he will never become good enough in the low post to start for anyone at the #5 slot.

    Memo has great offensive numbers put Sheed puts him to total shame when it comes to defense.
     
  7. himat

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    it happened last year too dice didn't do well early, but he delivered late. i don't think memo will come up big for the jazz down the stretch of the season or in the playoffs. so i'd rather keep dice who can deliver along with the wallaces in the playoffs.
     
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    You also have to look at what opponents Memo was putting up those numbers against. No way does Memo put those numbers up in the East.
     
  9. lazyberbs

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    I agree with you. Darko will never put up Memo numbers, at least not here. But then, Memo would not have either, if he were still here.

    People can talk all they want about Darko not getting this and that statistic, but when he does not play, he will not get those numbers. Do you realize how hard it is to get a rebound from the bench?

    We have all these superstars in front of him and they will still be there a couple of years from now when he is due to sign another contract. Do you see him taking less than he is worth, like Ben, Sheed, and all do? Not when in his own mind, he has not been given the chance to even contribute to the success of HIS team.

    He worked this summer, the first one that he could, and worked in camp but he has not progressed beyond the days of 'little ykw', at least in the minds of his coaches. Sure, it is early in the season and 47 other reasons not to panic, but the longer the bench time accumulates, the further behind he gets.

    Somebody out there still believes in him and will sign him because he has no reason to want to take less money to stay here. And when he leaves, I will still have plenty of loyalty to root for the Pistons but have enough left over to root for Memo and Darko.

    People talk about how lucky he is to have a ring and maybe more by the time he is 21 or 22. Are these people the types of people who prefer riding on other people's coattails, or are they people who would rather work for what they get?

    In my mind, they can take my rings and stuff 'em if I didn't do my part in earning them. I would rather work for what I get even if it does not include a 'ship'.
     
  10. Tyskillz

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    Desire...

    Excellent thread and a topic I knew would eventually be brought back to the table. Although Memo is older he has always shown a lot more desire than we have seen from DMC. He's definitely not more athletic but he just has that drive to fight and succeed, I mean even in his rookie season he pretty much had taken rebraca's spot for good once zeljko got hurt. Darko is still so young it's hard to count him out though, and in my book Memo will never be the defender Darko has the potential to be. But at this point I don't think DMC will ever be as explosive and dominate as Memo currently is now. It just seems that young Darko is a bit too satisfied for now in my humble opinion. Bottom line Darko will basically be as good as he decides he wants to be, therefore if he wants to be as good as or better than Mehmet he will be.
     
  11. Abe Froemen

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    I really liked Memo but he had to go if it meant we would lose Sheed. I felt bad that he would get yelled at for shooting deep but Sheed had the green light. Imo that was just a double standard that Larry had. Larry was trying to get memo to take it to the rim strong. If Memo would lay it in he would get yelled at for not dunking. If he would dunk with 1 hand he would get yelled at for not using 2 just stupid stuff like that bothered me about Larry. As for people saying that Darko won’t be as good as memo only time will tell but I think the kid will be solid when he gets his chance.



    So let me get this straight when Darko is out there in garbage time he is suppose to pull down rebounds from all the crazy shots that get taken? Long rebounds are hard for Ben to get sometimes (take for example the Portland game Ben got a hand on a long rebound but couldn’t pull it in)

    As a fan of the Pistons I have to look at Darko from a different point of view than most other kids drafted. He was drafted for the future. Yes there were other big men out there for us to take heck there were smaller guys to take but almost anyone who would have got drafted would have been riding the pine. If we got wade I can guarantee he would have played behind rip and probably came off the bench after hunter. Bosh would have still played behind memo sheed Ben and now dice. Also consider if we had drafted a Carmelo how much of a distraction he would have been. He would have wanted his minutes which means Tay would not get half the pt he gets now and sure he needs a breather but how good would Tay be only playing 20 minuets a game? Darko is being brought along the way any player picked would have been.

    As far as I am concerned we got a #2 pick (and we could have traded it for other picks a couple of late first rounders or something) and didn’t quite know how to use it because of how strong the team already was. How many playoff teams land a #2 pick not many.
     
  12. bball jay

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    memo vs. darko

    i love memo as a player i really wish we could have kept him. but to compare the two just isn't a good comparison. it's just the system the guys are playing in. numbers wise darko will probably never put up the same numbers as memo just because he plays for the pistons. rasheed is only putting up 10 points a game that doesn't mean memo is better.

    it's really too early at this point to say if we made the right choice. the choice actually was never memo or darko. but right now it's hard to say because darko still hasn't had the chance to play. he's also too unselfish right now offensively. look at tay he's been playing for a few years and is just starting to be aggressive offensively. i still say darko is better though because he's a defensive presence. the one time he was allowed to log semi major minutes he led the league in blocked shots. he isn't a natural rebounder but specialist shot blockers don't usually grab too many rebounds anyway. the weakside defender gets lots of boards off darko's alterations and shot blocking usually leaves you out of position for boards. darko hasn't learned yet when to block and when to put a hand up and just box out it will come.
     
  13. Superstarov

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    Not to start a war here, but:

    If we want Darko to start getting more consistant, we need to start taking minutes away from Dyess. Dyess hasn't been incredibly impressive this season, but we know what he can do. Darko is still a question mark.

    Unless we want to go into the playoffs and run into the same crap we did last year (short on bigs), Darko needs to play.

    Then, maybe we can have this discussion comparing Darko to Memo.
     
  14. MotownPride

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    Easy choice.

    Although as previously mentioned, "Darko or Memo" was never an option...

    ..I would have to say that right now there really is no debate.

    Regardless of the rational, Darko still hasn't had meaningful minutes.
    Memo is playing like he is one of the top 25 players in the league right now. Very impressive. Sure these stats are inflated due to the loss of Boozer and Krilenko but many other nba allstar hopefuls have been in a similar situation and have not responded with such awe-inspiring numbers. To mention Darko with Memo at this point is to take away from how amazing Memo has been the pass couple of weeks.

    Darko will have his time. When he is finally in a position to put his full game on display then we can start the Darko vs Memo discussions. Until then, just sit back and watch our former Piston blossum to something special. Good job Memo! :)
     
  15. 16 Mile

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    Yeah, we probably should have been able to keep Mike James, but with Memo, we were in the same situation that Washington was with Arenas, except Memo hadnt really proven himself yet.

    But it is nice to see Memo doing well, you cant blame him for taking that kind of cash, and hopefully Darko gets his game going well enough that Memo leaving doesnt matter.
     

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