My thoughts on Joe D.

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  1. J.Wilson

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    I'm new to this forum, but I'd like to share a blog I wrote the other day about Joe Dumars. This opinion is usually unpopular, but I wanted to gauge the reaction from true Pistons fans. Let me know what you think, good or bad. I can handle it either way.

    The People vs. Joe Dumars

    Opening Statement:Ladies and Gentleman of the Jury: There are 30 teams in the National Basketball Association. Since 2009 only six of those teams have not made the Playoffs. They are the Minnesota Timberwolves, Toronto Raptors, Sacramento Kings, Houston Rockets, New Jersey Nets, and the Detroit Pistons. We are here today to discuss the last team on that list, and present a case that it is time for Joe Dumars to go as General Manager of that team. I understand that this is an unpopular opinion, but after our case is offered, we believe that the jury will be compelled to agree. Our evidence will include a look at Joe Dumars personnel decisions and handling of coaches. We hope that the jury listens with an open mind, and puts all emotional attachments aside. The facts are the facts, and it is time for the defendant, Mr. Joe Dumars to vacate.

    Exhibit A-Drafting Darko: The roots of this case were planted back in 2003. The Pistons had the 2nd pick in the NBA Draft. A draft in which LeBron James was the top pick, and also included Carmelo Anthony, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh. What did the defendant do? He drafted a youtube sensation named Darko Milicic. Think back on the names I said were in this draft. Carmelo Anthony, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh. All of these guys have become perennial All-Stars, Olympians, and are potential Hall-of-Famers. Meanwhile Darko was traded after 2 1/2 unproductive years, and is currently toiling on the fifth team of his career, the Minnesota Timberwolves. It is the prosecutions belief that drafting either Anthony, Wade, or Bosh would have prevented the precipitous fall that the Pistons are currently enduring.

    Exhibit B-Trading Chauncey: Despite the horrible drafting of Darko, the Pistons were able to maintain a high level of success for five years. The main catalyst of that was Chauncey Billups. After years of being a journeyman in the League, he came to Detroit and turned it around. He became Mr. Big Shot, and won an NBA Finals MVP. The Pistons were coming off of another failed trip to the Conference Finals in the 07-08 season. After they lost, the defendant spent the entire summer promising changes. So on November 4, 2008, just two games into the season, he traded Chauncey Billups for Allen Iverson. The trade was made under the guise of opening up salary cap space for the upcoming free agent class following that season. We will definitely touch on that shortly. The trade created a cluster of players that played basically the same type of game. Iverson was at that point a shorter version of Rip Hamilton. This trade would have been good if the defendant would have been able to use that salary cap space to get a big-name free agent. However, as you'll see in Exhibit C, that didn't happen.

    Exhibit C-Free Agent Signings: After trading Chauncey Billups was released, and a few other moves made by the Defendant, the Pistons were needed to land a big name player. After striking out on the more prominent free agents, the defendant threw a combined $155 million at Ben Gordon and Charlie Villaneuva. These were moves that even the defendant's strongest supporters couldn't argue. Moves that made trading away Chauncey Billups absolutely pointless, and set the organization back even further than keeping him would have.

    Exhibit D-Coaching Carousel: Imagine for a moment that you're the owner of a major company. The HR director has hired and fired six directors of operations in the an eight year span. At what point do you begin to look at the HR director and blame him/her for continuous mistakes in hiring practices?? I believe we are at that point with the defendant now. He has had veteran coaches, and coaches who weren't ready to be head coaches on his watch. They have all ended up leaving and most of them with hard feelings towards the defendant. So, again I ask, at what point does it begin to fall on him??

    Closing Argument: What is the statute of limitations and goodwill afforded due to winning a championship? That is the question that the jury has to figure out. That is the only thing keeping the defendant in his position. The defense is going to argue that the players are the reason that the coaches left. They will argue that the defendant was put in an awkward position due to ownership issues. They will also argue that the team is on the rise. However, all of that is just hiding the fact that they have an emotional attachment to the defendant. All of his years of service as a player for the team, in addition to the fact that he led them to a championship in the front office, is not, I repeat, not enough to acquit him on the issues presented today. Had the defendant been someone other than Joe Dumars, we wouldn't be here today. He would have already been fired and replaced. So, please sir, please ma'am, look at the facts while deliberating. Leave your emotion at the door, and you will see things our way.

    The prosecution rests.

    I'm Jimmy L. Wilson, Jr. and I approve this message.
  2. BallDon'tLie

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    Yo Mr. Wilson.
    Your insight is apprecated. I think that you'll find the majority of peeps on this board think like you do regarding Joe.
    I hope that you'll be a regular visitor/contributor here.

    We have a bacon thread.
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    A nice write up, considering you're a Michigan State fan.
    We do have a bacon thread if you wish to hang out here.
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    Love the style.

    But 3 reasons are not enough to get rid of him, and the Darko pick isn't really a reason.
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  5. pass99

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    Welcome aboard. Nice outline and it has been rolled-over within this board as so many invisible darts at the the mindset of JD. This, of course, has been compounded by the mind of Gores...an equally specious target.
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    I only quickly read the article, but there didn't seem to be any mention of all the great salary cap flexibility Joe gave the Pistons from 2005-2008? They were always in great position to make a move.
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    I noticed that glaring omission also. I really liked the fact that Joe didn't hesitate to dump Aaron Afflalo for cap flexibility. It was a very flexible team for a while.
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    I won't defend Joe D. because I agree with a lot of the things that you said he done bad + trading Afflalo and (perhaps) Budinger too.

    But he did pretty good things too. I'm not saying that we should sign Dumars until 2050 because He ONCE did some good things.. but at least give him the chance to clean this mess..

    And this mess really stinks.. the contracts of Gordon and Villanueva are hard to trade. And any rebuilind is like this. With a few changes but the years out of playoffs are almost the same.
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    I commended JD for his trade of AA. As soon as he saw that AA has no chance on Pistons then, cut him loose. I also thought that CB asked JD for AA after he was trade to Denver.
    AI trade ? I viewed it as JD was asked by the league to offer one last chance to AI and he wouldn't hesitate when he saw it was also a chance for CB to play at home though it was a bit early.
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    He did have 2 years while the team was being sold that he allegedly could not make any trades or sign too much money. I think this is mainly why Gores is giving him a chance. Dumars needs to do something to wow everyone this summer or I think it may be over.

    People just are not that excited about the Pistons anymore and it shows in the ticket sales and other revenue. They need to do something to bring interest back. Even the local sports shows rarely talk about them anymore. Pistons have become the forgotten 4th team in the area.
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    The over/under on career pf.com posts by J. Wilson is 1.5.

    Are you taking the over or the under?
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    Looks like I'll take the under on that. The shameless self promotion works better when you at least take a stab at participating in the discussion.
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    I still think that CB-AI trade was a good move to clear up salary space. What he did with the money afterwards and the fact that he gave Rip an extension were both terrible moves.
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    We should all go bomb his blog with comments about how Sammy Meija was the greatest Piston ever.
    Does he have a comments section?
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    DarkoWatcher handled his promoting with more finesse. He waited over 5 years until Darko had a double-double against Gasol before he promoted his stellar blog.
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    I wonder if Wiggles has a blog?
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    He predicted that he would have a blog.
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    hasn't logged in since he posted... sure a great way to know what feedback your getting... I disagreed with most of his points for what its worth though...

    Name One team in the league that wouldn't have taken Darko with the 2nd pick.... sorry if it wasn't James year and Cleveland with the pick.... he probably goes number 1.

    hindsight is so 20/20 but everybody was ready for billiups to be moved... he was breaking down every year in the playoffs and the team as built wasn't going to win again... you can argue that AI was a bad pickup and I'll listen to that.... but Mr Big shot while I loved him as a piston it was time to go.

    I'll give him the free agent signings he swung and missed on that... but name me a team that doesn't miss on a FA signing.....

    Coach Hirings and Firings.... sorry that goes towards the owners more then Joe... like it or not, HR folk don't hire the plant managers of companies.... they hire the little man, when its a private company such as the Pistons are, its the owner who's hiring the big dogs.

    I have seen better arguments on this site at why he should be let go... not that I agree with them.

    I would say you did a prosecution job here about as well as the state of california did in trying to convict OJ....

    So I say he keeps his job.... (for this year anyways)
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    My bad, guys. I should have put the kibosh on that post right away.
  20. BallDon'tLie

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    I agree with pretty much everything you said here.

    I had high hopes of picking up a new forum member who's passionate enough about the team to write a blog article. I don't really agree with much of what he said but he expressed his views well and I'd welcome his opinion on all things Pistons.
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