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NBA Playoffs....Are you fired up?

Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by BillLaimbeer, Apr 25, 2012.

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Are you fired up for the NBA playoffs?

Poll closed May 5, 2012.
  1. YES, I WILL WATCH EVERY POSSIBLE GAME! I AM SO EXCITED, I WILL ANSWER IN ALL CAPS!!

    17.6%
  2. I love the NBA playoffs. I will catch a few games here and there. I'll definitely watch the Finals.

    29.4%
  3. I'm fired up to watch my 2nd favorite NBA team and root them on to a championship

    23.5%
  4. I'll watch some action if I'm bored and the remote happens to stop at the right time and channel

    23.5%
  5. The season ends for me on Thursday, April 26 when the Pistons season ends

    5.9%
  1. Ernie the Slow Adult

    Ernie the Slow Adult All-Star Forum Donor

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    I was trying badly to upload a picture of my feet yesterday but couldn't do it from my phone.

    Bill Simmons theorized on twitter last night that Wade purposely chooses Dan Crawford's side of the court because he knows he'll get a touch foul.
     
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    Crawford calls fouls on guys for invading Wade's personal space.
     
  3. Ernie the Slow Adult

    Ernie the Slow Adult All-Star Forum Donor

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    Man I used to love watching Larry Brown go after him.
     
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    So true. I absolutely hate it. When Wade is forced to actually play, he is fun to watch. He has all the skills to dominate a game. Too many times though, he just plays lazy and "earns it" at the line. Crawford is his biggest enabler to play lazy, boring basketball.
     
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    That last play was bad no-call, but Durant got the superstar call a few minutes earlier when he plowed thorugh Battier in a very clear charge. Dude was amazing though. He played the entire 4th quarter with 5 fouls and almost pulled off the upset. Anyways, there were many horrible calls that went Miami's way. I counted at least two fouls where Wade wasn't even touched. Also the goaltending on Bosh's layup after Durant blocked him was the BS call of the night.

    Thunder can't allow to dig themselves into a hole like that again when they're on the road.

    BTW, everybody's talking about the big 3 on either side, but Ibaka is playing amazing. I love watching him.

    The only thing good about Heat winning would be to see Battier get his ring. I really like the guy and he brings a lot to the table for the Heat.
     
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    I agree with you here. Battier is a good guy.

    (He was shuffling his feet and sliding on that no-call charging play that you were talking about. I dind't think Durant got a superstar call at all. I actually thought that the refs got that one right.)
     
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    But this play was a great example of what we were discussing in that other thread about flopping. Not the non-call itself, but the fact that Battier can shuffle/slide in there fully upright, not make any attempt to defend the ball, and just stand in the guy's way to get a foul call. The idea of a charging foul should be to prevent offensive players from bowling people over enroute to the basket, not to allow defenders who are not making a play on the ball to just slide in and force a turnover.
     
  8. BillLaimbeer

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    You don't have to make a play on the ball to play great defense. Sliding your feet in front of in the ball handler to stop him from getting to the goal is what you are supposed to do.
     
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    Ernie the Slow Adult All-Star Forum Donor

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    But sliding how, Bill, so you can stand board stiff and do nothing else but hope the guy crashes into you?

    I think you want to slide your feet so you can contest a shot or play the passing lanes, no?
     
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    This is a tremendous post. I was not articulating my point all that well yesterday, but you summed it up nicely.

    A.) They let so much stuff go so guys can protect themselves while they take the charge that the refs can't tell what they're supposed to be calling anymore.

    B.) A charge should be the exception. It feels like it is the rule now.

    C.) Stop making the defender having to fall down to earn or sell the charge.

    Wouldn't point C really cut into flopping? Wouldn't requiring a player to be squared up and not trying to cover their jewels even if they're moving laterally as the rule allows do the same?

    The players flop because the league encourages it.
     
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    Just a hunch. After OKC wins the next three games and Riley gives his coach the boot, I think Phil Jackson will be the next coach. Yeah I know Jackson said he wasn't interested in Orlando cause it was too far from home but I think coaching those three in Miami would be too big of an attraction to him.
     
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    In some cases, yes. You make the guy pay for driving the lane out of control...take the charge. The one call I have a problem with is if the defender slides under the guy when the attacker goes into the air. That, of course, should be a defensive foul.
     
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    And Phil the Zenmaster, knows how to win with superstars, so I would say no matter how good the Bulls or Thunder will be the next two seasons, the Heat will find a way to win at least one ring in the next two seasons.
     
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    the move itself was a great doing if you set your feet before that guy took off. Believe that's what great defense all about.
     
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    This is where it gets a little tough. I'd like to treat it like the old definition of porn where I don't know how to define it, but I'll know it when I see it. There should be some sort of rule if I mow down a guy who has his back turned.
    Sure, but that's not what is called. A charge should probably be called 1 out of 10 times, I think.
    I bet you could replay all the offensive fouls called in this years playoffs and 10-15 might fit your criteria.

    You could make the same call that you are describing by being in a defensive stance (aka making a basketball play) if it was not required that the defender has to sell the call. If I am guarding my man and I'm hit from the side then it should be a charge.

    Case in point, Chuckles V draws charges which shows it is not a basketball play. (Next tweet, how can you get called for defensive fouls when you never play D, LOL)
     
  16. Ernie the Slow Adult

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    Those in the know don't think that Riley would hire Jackson. Riley only hires his people/deciples.
     
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    Most charge calls involve a help-side defender sliding over when a teammate gets beat. You rarely see a charge in a one-on-one situation unless the ball hander lowers his shoulder and plows a guy over.
     
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    That is exactly my point. Why reward guys who are not playing basketball?

    The rare scenario you paint is a charge. If you changed the thought process where you have to snap your head back and drop in a heap so the refs(aka the culprits here) will call a charge then you would eliminate the benifit of flopping.

    A charge is simple to call really. Are you squared up despite any lateral movement and did the offensive player attempt to go through you? (I've never had an argument with someone I am playing with over a charge call in my life.)

    I believe you can wall off a LeBron James without having to slide underneath him and pose as picket fence.

    A player should not be less likely to receive a charge call because he is in a defensive stance. Why can't I help off my man while in a defensive stance, have a hand up to contest a shot or pass(a crazy concept for a defensive player apparently) and draw a charge?

    The last thing the league needs is some BS hand check on the perimeter rule like they put in a few years back to increase scoring when they're taking dozens of points per game away because of (incorrect) offensive fouls.*

    The block/charge call is the most difficult call because they make it up as they go. They should also address the continuation and start your shooting motion rule to eliminate offensive flops.

    * I got this idea from Warriors color man Jim Barnett a short time after the hand check rule went in.
     
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    You said the charge was "simple to call" and "the most difficult call" in the same post.
     
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    They call me slow for a reason.

    It should or could be simple to call, but as it is called currently it is too difficult because they need to look at the circle(horrible rule), is the guy turning only as a means to protect himself, who are the players involved etc prior to making the call.

    I guess more succinctly, do not call a charge unless you're 100% sure. Tie goes to the offense. The defences will adapt. (wish I had thought of this 1000 words ago!)
     

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