Official 2007/2008 PF.com Fantasy Hockey Talk Thread

Discussion in 'Fantasy Sports Central' started by jammertime, Oct 5, 2007.

  1. Woody

    Woody All-Star 1x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    Jammer's analysis of next year doesn't make sense.

    He says he likes weekly lineups, and then complains about having to wait several days for a guy to clear wavers. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!!

    Personally, I did NOT like weekly lineups in baseball. A pitcher or other player gets hurt and you can't replace them for a week, thus getting stuck shorthanded.

    If we went to weekly in hockey, and a guy gets hurt (and that happens A LOT), then he couldn't be replaced until the next week.

    Forget the weekly lineups!! Stick with daily! Its FUN to screw around with your lineups all the time!

    As far as the number of moves, any limitation would be good. Since I don't have stat wacker, I don't have all the inside dope on who's hot and who's not. I just watch the league transactions page and pick up the leftovers. A guy like Tater will run out of leftovers long before the playoffs if we limit him sufficiently. AS WE SHOULD!!!!!!!!!


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  2. Darth Tater

    Darth Tater All-Star Forum Donor 6x Fantasy Champion

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    Jammer rarely makes any sense, but both of you make good points. I'd really like to hear from others too. I don't think there is a right or wrong way here, but I'd like to go in the direction most prefer. Obviously, we have a year to go, but while it's fresh in our minds...
  3. BillLaimbeer

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    I agree with Woody that it's nice to make changes mid-week to accomodate for injuries.

    I agree with you Canadians (Jammer and Darth) about limiting the number of roster moves per year. It seems to take away from the game when rosters are completely overhauled from day to day.
  4. Darth Tater

    Darth Tater All-Star Forum Donor 6x Fantasy Champion

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    LOL, eh. OK, so say we go with daily, eh? What's a reasonable amount of moves. I don't mind not tatering, eh, and I certainly won't be tempted if I'm limited...but how many is reasonable? I really think 75 is a good number for us tinkerers. Plus you can still tater now & then, eh? But it will stop a bad team from tatering to the playoffs and still having moves left, eh?
  5. jammertime

    jammertime Starter 1x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    I don't want it both ways. Either a daily league with roster limits or a weekly league. I'm not looking for both. This year's hockey league is daily, so having to wait several days for guys to clear waivers sucks. Given the # of roster moves being made on a weekly basis, it seems like anyone worth picking up is on waivers.

    I've only done weekly once, which was this year's baseball league. I really liked the lower commitment level required (something retired folks like you don't have to worry about :stirthepot:).

    I have no problem with daily leagues, I've been in about 2 dozen of them over the years. I agree that the biggest draw back of the weekly league was getting stuck with an injured player.

    I'd be fine with either a daily or weekly league next season.

    IMO 75 is still WAY too many roster moves. The season is approx. 23 weeks long. With 75 roster moves, that works out to 3.26 moves per week. Fifty moves would work out to 2.17 moves per week. Perhaps a compromise of 60-65?

    As a side note, I can't believe that we're already talking about NEXT year's fantasy league. This season isn't even half way over yet! :pound:

    We're such nerds! :nerd: Well, at least I don't have Stat Tracker!:loser:
  6. Darth Tater

    Darth Tater All-Star Forum Donor 6x Fantasy Champion

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    Well, for me the season is longer than 23 weeks...because my teams go the distance. :stirthepot::pound:


    Seriously though, daily and limit of 65 sounds good.

    Now for cats, what do we like? No penalty minutes, but Game winning goals & shots on goal we do like? How about losses for goalies?
  7. jammertime

    jammertime Starter 1x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    I believe 23 weeks was including playoffs. Jerk. :MusicBigGrin:

    Seriously though, you're a jerk. :pound:

    Ok, no, for real now. Stop playing around. I'm good with GWG and Shots on goal (never played with this one before). I'm not a big fan of the L category. I wouldn't mind an extra stat category for goalies though, are there any more to choose from? Is it possible to allow them to collect points as well? (not so much goals - although it has happened - but some goalies get a fair share of assists during the season).

    I don't know. Those are just my random Cannukian thoughts. :canada:

    Speaking of the Great White North :cold:, Darth, it's so clear that you long to be one of us that it's almost sad. It's like going to the kennel and seeing the little puppy with his nose up to the cage longing for you to take him home.
  8. Darth Tater

    Darth Tater All-Star Forum Donor 6x Fantasy Champion

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    Yeah yeah, I'm a jerk. Get over it. I ain't changing!!

    I don't think goalies can get offensive stats. There just weren't many cats to choose from. Most of the ones we weren't already using were pretty obscure or stupid. The shots on goal is the new default category for Yahoo. They used to use Game winning goals ,but too many people complained it was luck.

    I'm sure you understand this being of the eskimo species and all, but others don't know that game winning goal is often chance.

    For example:

    The Wings score 4 goals to take a 5-0 lead.

    The Lightning then get three goals.

    Wings win 5-3. Whoever got the 4th goal gets the game winner even though at the time it wasn't a big deal. So it's kind of random a lot. But it's kind of a fun stat, so I prolly should have kept it. I don't know.

    Also, I guess I'll see if I can throw in two more positions (utility if they have it). That way we get more action.
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    Yeah, but when you bring the puppy home, you find out he likes to hump your sofa and make doo-doo on the carpet.
  10. jammertime

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    Yep, that's Darth alright. :pound:
  11. BillLaimbeer

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    LOL. Roscoe set you up for that one.
  12. Darth Tater

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    :shootingsoldier::canada: (Roscoe)


    :gun1::canada: (Jammer)
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    You Canadians are all nuts! :MusicBigGrin:

    Upon further review, I think daily lineups make more sense in leagues where the teams play several games per week. In baseball, teams play every day, often 15-20 in a row. A weekly league doesn't reflect the frequency of games. Obviously a football league only plays once per week so a weekly change makes sense. Hockey plays 2-4 times per week, and a weekly change doesn't adequately reflect the frequency of the games. (END OF SERMON).

    Shots on goal sounds O.K., but is more good or bad?? Detroit goalies always face fewer shots because their defense is so good. Weaker teams give up many more shots. So, do you chose a goalie on a weak team with a poor defense so he gets lots of shots (and loses lots of games), but your fantasy team gets extra points for having such a bum defense??:stirthepot::stirthepot:

    ISN'T THIS FUN!!!:):)
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    Shots on Goal seems like a dumb stat to me....at least as far as fantasy stats go.
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    Flip Murray would be a top 10 fantasy pick if that were a positive in NBA fantasy!
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    BillLaimbeer All-Star 4x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    Top 5 in field goal attempts per game:
    1. LeBron 22.0
    2. McGrady 21.2
    3. Kobe 20.1
    4. Carmello 19.6
    5. Baron Davis 19.4

    Murray puts up 7.6 shots per game in his 19.4 minutes.
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    Yeah yeah, I was only joking. You know I'm a huge Flip Murray fan.

    Hockey player only wish they could have his shooting %.
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    I liked GWG. I thought it was a good stat. An excellent wildcard.
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    I've gone back & forth on all these things a lot. The feedback is helpful.

    So what I'm thinking based on all the feedback is:

    We like:
    Daily lineups
    Roster limit (approx 65)
    GWG



    We don't like:
    Shots on goal
    penalty minutes
    goalie losses

    What am I forgetting?

    Oh yeah, how about 1 day waiver periods instead of two?

    Do you like league approved or commish approved trades better?
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    :hoops:

    Add "corrupt commissioners" to the We don't like category.

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