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  1. roscoe36

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    vs Oklahoma City

    Monday Nov 12 2012 - 7:30 PM EST


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    GO PISTONS!
     
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    Pistons playing decent 16-16 thru one quarter.
     
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    25-23 OKC. Pistons playing competitive ball. Massive putback slam by Dre when he just entered the game.
     
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    This will be third quarter ugly for us........
     
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    Great Pistons D. 47-38Pistons
     
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    13-3 run by Thunder brought us back down to earth, but Pistons looked competitive in holding a six point half time lead. Already 14 assists in the half as they are sharing, especially the starters....But credit the early second quarter play by the bench for getting the big lead.
     
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    Not looking a bad game at all. Drummond is a bit of beast. Once he gets his head around rotations he could be terrifying. Sometimes he looks lost, sometimes he looks great.

    Westbrook is just chucking at this point. Probably the only reason we are in the lead is his 10+ wasted possessions.
     
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    So many missed layups
     
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    Give me more drum as well.
     
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    WHY IS DRUMMOND NOT GOING ON. WHY THE HELL ARE WE PLAYING JJ AND MAXIELL AS OUR FRONTCOURT.
     
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    Looks like we about to give this up in the 4th
     
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    So close! 1 meltdown and its over. Daye would have won this game single handedly by shutting down durant and then going 33-34 from 3 pt land.
     
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    Close game to the thunder. Not unhappy, although we should have won.

    Not content to hold a lead, Detroit gives up a 7 point run to start the fourth.

    I know we are going to hear a lot about BK's poor shooting (2/13) and I really think it hurt us. But I'm am just going to put it out there that this game was lost entirely by the coach.
     
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    0-8 doesn't sound great...........:gaah:
     
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    Exactly
     
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    Pistons lost this game by 2 points, spoiling our own BillLaimbeer's birthday

    Terrible start to the 4th as OKC jumped to a 17-2 run erasing a 13 pt Piston lead just like that. Bynum was the culprit to the fail IMO as he tried to force a couple of shots to open the 4th and then the Thunder forced everything inside and they got 9 of their first 11 points of the quarter from the FT line.

    The Pistons lost to a Thunder team that shot 37% from the floor and was 1-10 from the beyond the arc and only had 10 assists. Stat of the night for the Thunder 37-42 from the free throw line, and that my fellow forum-mates was the ball game. The Thunder also 12 blocks and at least 5 of them seem to come during the stretch where we were held scoreless to open the 4th.

    The Thunder missed a lot of shots in the 3rd qtr and it appeared that the Pistons were ready to claim their first win of the season and at least make halftime singer Gladys Knight happy. But we struggled with JJ only hitting 1-6, Bynum hitting 2-7 and starting guard Knight going only 2-13 (2-8 beyond the arc). His three ball on a broken play put the Pistons up 83-81 with about 3 mins left. After Durant completed an and one to put the Thunder up 84-83, Monroe missed a shot and put back by Max was last lead the Pistons would enjoy 85-84.

    Although the Piston faithful prayed for a win, we knew the better team would get the breaks and sure enough they did ...even a questionable 3 second call on Monroe, with about a minute left when the Pistons had a chance to take the lead.

    So the saga continues, 0-8 with the Sixers and Magic coming up next. The team looked good enough tonight to beat those teams, so lets hope that they get into the winning column this week whey they start playing the Eastern Conference teams....
     
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    Damn... good effort by the Pistons though. They're definitely better than an 0-8 team, that's for sure. They were playing good D but they just couldn't put up the points to keep the Thunder away in the beginning of the 4th quarter. In other words, we really need to go after a go to scorer in the off season. I imagine, that if we had Monta Ellis, Rudy Gay or another scorer out there we would've won without a doubt.

    Positives:

    (1) Stuckey is baackkkk (kinda)

    (2) Singler is a solid sixth man off the bench

    (3) Drummond's an absolute beast on the boards and the defensive end. In just 12 minutes he made a huge impact on the game.

    (4) This team has no quit in them even though they are 0-8.

    Negatives:

    (1) We still can't close out games.

    (2) Defense is still suspect.

    (3) We don't have a go to scorer who can close out games.
     
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    Our starters did ok upon occasion, by running plays. Not by being any good. There is a difference. OK has good players, who just took it in relentlessly against our non-existent interior D. Yes, they missed some shots at first, but then as the game progressed, they realized there was no need for plays, no need for outside shots, just bust it in on our defense over and over. JMAX did great to get 3 blocks. Where are JJ's blocks by the way? JJ was minus 10 in this game. Can't blame him though - his coach put him in a failing situation, playing power forward when he is not nearly big, tall, long, or athletic enough to play the position. At all, not even the tiniest bit.

    Now, I must say, though a very poor effort toward winning, the coach did pull Bynum early in this one. But he ended up playing Stuckey pretty much the whole 2nd half. That is not a formula for winning. Players do need some rest.

    And again, our starters did run some plays, but too often they had nothing to do with the ball. No way except to force something. Pretty ugly at times. And did I mention our starters really can't play sound defense with a too short power forward? Yes, nice that Stuckey made some outside shots, but most of his scoring was like point guard scoring, busting it to the basket. As a back up point, Stuckey would be a contributing player - but as the off guard to Knight, he is about worthless. Again, we see a big run with Singler in at shooting guard in this game. A guy who can actually shoot the ball. What a concept.

    More non-effort by the coach. Drummond did some pretty good stuff - in the 1st half. He hardly played in the 2nd half. And despite the tandem of Drummond and Monroe doing so well in the last OK game, not for one second did they get paired up in this one. Just more proof coach shies away from anything that works.

    Drummond had a put back score, a block, several rebounds (6), and one super nifty score from in front after receiving a pass from inside. He made his initial move, which was to half hook, half shoot, straight in. But that path was blocked off by the defender. So he deftly switches angles and scoops the ball in from the side. (Going around the arm that went up for the block.) Pretty darn nifty. All just with his left hand.

    Note, its the 2nd straight game Kim English has not played, despite playing good D so far this season, and nailing several 3's already. Singler continues to do well, and hustle - but he is not as good a defender as English. Maybe some bias there toward offense on coach's part. But considering he puts units out there that just don't work, I can see where he would be desperate for some offense.

    Some will say oh, hey, it was a 6 game road trip. And tonight it was one of the best teams in the L. But the teams we played for the most part were quite beatable. Coach is simply not putting the best team out there that he could be. Not even close.

    In review, we lost pretty much the entire first half of last season while coach figured out finally that JJ is not starting forward material. But now, he is playing JJ a lot of minutes, all at power forward. He still does not get it. JJ is not just not a starting power forward in this league, he is not a power forward in this league at all.

    Finally, if you add back in English, and cut Bynum out of the rotation, you get a far better defender - and better point guard play. A three guard rotation of Stuckey, Knight, and English means you have always either Stuckey or Knight at the point. Then you throw in Singler some as a fourth guard. And maybe Magette later as a fifth, and maybe Middleton as a 6th.
     
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    So close, and yet so far. The Pistons were right there with the WC champs (still hurts to say that), but again, it's the little things, the ones that separate the really good teams from the not so good ones. It's why OKC won the game (also doesn't hurt to get away with a few things, and of course, to have a certain Kevin Durant who makes clutch hoops). Oh yeah, Westbrook is a punk. A chucking, athletic punk who gets away with dirty plays.

    JJ! Not a power forward by any stretch of the imagination; but he's also not really a 3 (loose as hell handles and awkward moves). He's a tweener. It was made abundantly clear in this game. Our defense is also at its weakest when he and Greg are manning the power positions. I wasn't fond of the fact that he was kept in there even after that odious foul on a 3 try by Kevin Martin either (he should've been yanked immediately; most others would have), especially when both Drummond and Maxiell had played well and could've been subbed in to go alongside Greg.

    Greg - played well. He did get shots swatted by Ibaka, but everyone does. He was still efficient and made an effort on the defensive side of the ball (how effective - or not he was though is obvious). The one thing I really want him to correct is his constant, Tay-like hesitation with the ball. There were numerous times when he just stood in the middle of the floor for what seemed like forever before even starting a move or deciding to pass it. When he is decisive with the ball, decisive in his moves to the basket, he's that much better.

    Rodney had a good game as well. He's inconsistent, but the Pistons need him to be more consistent, which is the problem. If he can get there (finally get there) I'm ok with him for now. Still would like him to be backup 1/2 though, cut Bynum's time on the floor off entirely. He also totally dominated poor Jeremy Lamb (who looked hella disinterested in his 2 plus minutes which helped the Pistons build that double digit lead).

    Brandon was so-so. He was playing ok initially but got called for 2 fouls and had to sit. His shot was way off, he had a lot of shots that were halfway in that just bounced out. He also did a passable job on Westbrook (who was out of control a lot and got bailed out as if he were Wade), and played good transition defense on Durant to force the jump ball. Come to think of it, having to guard a guy like Russ all the time must really suck. He only had 3 turnovers, but 2 of them were on inside passes to Greg that were way, waaay off (miscommunication), and one of which was in crunch time. He looked to have better balance this game, and if even 1 of those in and out 3s would've gone in, this would've been a win. Him being our only reliable outside shooter is a difficult thing, because he's also streaky.

    Tayshaun - was ok, but didn't shoot well either. That and one call Durant got at the end was awful though; didn't look like much of a foul. He also did Tayshaun things like hold the ball forever and force up long fade away 2s.

    Bynum - was put in the spin cycle with 2 fouls in about a minute of game time trying to guard Russ, at least initially. Russ being a hothead played right into Bynum's hands a little after that. He is who he is though, a true chucker. An example: Pistons (JJ iirc) got the rebound off Bynum's miss twice, giving them 2 brand new shot clocks - and Bynum proceeds to take both succeeding shots, the last one being easy pickings for Ibaka which = layup on the other end. He has hurt us in consecutive 4th quarters, but that's on coach. Bynum can be good - in small doses. When he starts to chuck and you see his teammates turn into front row seat watchers to the Show, he needs to sub him out. The Will Bynum from the first 2-3 games is long gone.

    Max also played well. He got himself a bunch of highlight reel plays in this game, and he hit the 15 foot jumper pretty well too. He is what he is, but being in a contract year and pushed by an exciting young rookie is doing wonders for his game.

    Andre - played really well in the first half, but then inexplicably got like 5 minutes in the second half (none of which was with Monroe). He had a lot of highlight-worthy plays, but his real value is in that he occupies so much space, and with the defense having to account for him all the time he helps space the floor for the other guys, and that's not counting his defensive impact on the game. He blocks shots and alters a whole lot more, and makes bulls like Westbrook take jumpers instead. I kept muttering "please stay in, please stay in" all through his and the team's great second quarter run. He needs to play more. If we're going to lose, I'd rather lose playing the young guys lots of minutes than have to watch another minute of the Will Bynum Show or the Isotayshaun offense.

    Kyle - was ok, but defensively he was pretty horrid. That might have something to do with him playing the 2 against quicker, crafty guards, coach.

    Kenny looks like he's in the doghouse lately. Wonder what happened there?
     
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    Drummond looks like a center on defense. Drummond has Ben-like movement and the Pistons should get Ben to teach him what he knows about defense. So will Monroe be a power forward--is he quick enough for that role? Monroe needs coaching on his offense. It has not improved from last year. Maybe get an Olajawon to work with him. Monroe's game has to be a scorer and he is not yet there. If he scores, he can fit in next to Drummond.

    The guard play has been a major problem. Knight has not really improved from last year all that much and he was (is) the only real hope going forward among the Piston guards. By years end, the team will have to upgrade the whole guard situation if Knight does not show more signs. After all, it is a guard oriented league.

    Drummond looks scary good at times. A real player shows ability right from the get go and Drummond is doing that.

    Yes, Lee, it is hard to find shooters on the floor when watching this team. The Pistons will have to address this at some point. It is the three point era.

    I am disappointed at JJ. Maybe it is that he plays out of position. But he has not extended the range on his shot. And he is still lost when he gets the ball down low.
     

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