Away Orlando Magic Friday, December 27, 2013

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  1. Mogilny

    Mogilny All-Star Forum Donor

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    One more loss and Detroits win pct is lower than Khris Middletons 3-point pct.
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    Pope has to be aggressive and practice is shot from everywhere. Currently he is more of a perimeter shooter who tends to leave the in the paint shots to the bigs. That would be great if he were hitting them... The only other issue is I have seen him blow layups too, so our "shooting guard" has shooting issues.

    In 29 games over all Pope is 74-204 for 36.3% shooting. He is 48 for 120 from inside the arc for 40% and 26-84 for 31% shooting from beyond the arc. In contrast Singler is shooting 47.2% on 85-180 shooting and 36.1% for his three point shooting.

    Pope needs to be more aggressive when he gets the ball and at least go the hoop. He has the third best FT shooting on the team, but has only gone to the line 27 times (21-27). In contrast, Bynum has gone to the FT line 35 times in 400 less minutes.

    Players my start to become reluctant to pass the ball to him if he is not going to shoot and like LA Piston says, if he gets it and holds it for a few seconds and passes again, it could cause the next player to rush the shot. I know he is a rookie, but you almost would rather have the aggressive rookie learn from mistakes than be the passive on offense. That is the probable reason as to why he averages only 23 mins a game and the other 4 starters average 34. When we need offense, Mo will sacrifice the defense of Pope.

    Every team has a starter that doesn't score, but I don't think any of us saw a lottery pick rookie starting in the back court that was averaging less than 7ppg. It reminds me of Mike Curry 11-12 years ago starting at forward who was there for defense only and gave us about 5 pts a game.
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  3. Ernie the Slow Adult

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    I think Pope struggling is more symptom than cause. He doesn't get a lot of good shots.

    I think the ball would move a lot more if Monroe shot more from 18-20'.
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    Pope just doesn't have confidence, and from what I can tell, he knows he's on a team with chuckers. He knows J Smoove and Jennings gotta get their shots, and the Pistons paid those guys this off season. Pope will work his way up the ladder.
    With that said, Alf took him to task in the first few minutes last night. He wanted that ball in the post, got it, and fundamentally took him for three fairly easy 8-12 footers. Alf looks good man, he's a solid player.
  5. Mogilny

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    Alf has been a top 5 SG for a couple of years now and with Kobe down he's probably top 3.
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    I disagree with that one pretty strongly.

    Dwyayayane Wade
    James Harden
    Joe Johnson
    Goran Dragic

    All superior. I'd throw in Beal there too.
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    Mogilny All-Star Forum Donor

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    Joe Johnson is worse on both ends of the floor. Dragic isn't very close either.
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    You said a couple of years. I'd take JJ, DWade, Harden and Dragic over Alf over the last 3. In fact, chuck Gordon Hayward in the mix as well as well to make it a nice 5.

    Johnson is a better defender, and also remarkably consistent. The only downside is that massive contract. Dragic looks like the real deal in Phoenix this year.
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    Mogilny All-Star Forum Donor

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    Top 3 referred to now. Dragic over the last 3 seasons? He looks great now but he wasn't even above average two seasons ago, nor a SG before this season. Hayward is mainly a forward and hasn't really played any SG before this season nor is he elite at that position. Wade, Kobe, Johnson and Harden are the players who can make a legimate claim to being better than Alf over the last three years. Maybe Manu if he hadn't played about 20 minutes per game.

    JJ a better defender?!? Alf is one of the best perimeter defenders in the L and maybe the second best defensive SG after Tony Allen. JJ is at tops a slightly above average defender the few games he tries to be. The reason he used to be better than Alf was because of his offense, when Joe was an all-star and Alf a defensive role player.
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    Reading how much we regret trading Afflalo makes me wonder if at some point this season or the next one will we regret trading Khris Middleton??

    I think he is doing a better job than Singler...
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    Middleton was thought to have some upside when he was drafted. He was going to be a late lottery pick before his injury in college. Remember that he actually cracked our starting rotation last season and looked decent.
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    I liked Middleton
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    No way I take Dragic, Johnson or Beal over Alf.

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