Pistons 1st Round Game 1 - Sixers Sun Apr 20 6PM

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  1. max

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    Re: 1st Round Game 1 - Sixers Sun Apr 20 6PM

    Pistons had 2 more offensive rebounds than the Sixers.

    There was not anything particulary wrong with the rebounding or the defense. They could not hit a shot. How many opportunities in the late 4th did they miss?

    When you hold the opponent to 90 points on 43% shooting at home during the playoffs you should win. You have to win those.

    Throwing Hunter out there may have been a mistake for the simple fact that he has hardly played all season. You should go with what got you here.
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    Re: 1st Round Game 1 - Sixers Sun Apr 20 6PM

    Listened to the postgame.

    Flip is a clueless. All he could do is talk about missed shots.

    Sheed says this loss is on him. He's just trying to be a hero. Rip and Billups were below par and the bench was atrocious except Max.
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    Re: 1st Round Game 1 - Sixers Sun Apr 20 6PM

    Flip's always been clueless. How many times have we heard that same old crap from him after losses? He was coaching scared, and his players looked like strangers out there. Rip needs to quit trying to be the man. He's not good enough. And he needs to not hog the ball on offense, particularly on a 3 on 1 fastbreak.
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    Re: 1st Round Game 1 - Sixers Sun Apr 20 6PM

    I agree with this, but as for Amir i think he can counter Evans strength with his athleticism. We'll never know though. Look for the same script next game.
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    Re: 1st Round Game 1 - Sixers Sun Apr 20 6PM

    lpgrl, I know you are a big Amir fan, but Evans is incredibly tough, dirty, strong and an amazingly good rebounder for his size.

    He'd eat Amir up. It's a man's league and Amir is still light in the pants.
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    Re: 1st Round Game 1 - Sixers Sun Apr 20 6PM

    But Amir is the best we have. Evans is good, and he did a number on our vets. So what harm is there in playing your best rebouder?
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    Re: 1st Round Game 1 - Sixers Sun Apr 20 6PM

    I would think that Joe D. is as upset about this (inappropriate term) performance as he was about the Cleveland playoff game last year in which we let LBJ score 50-plus points. It would be interesting to know what he will say to Saunders or to the team.
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    Re: 1st Round Game 1 - Sixers Sun Apr 20 6PM

    I'd support your idea but...even Lee has admitted that AJ is very foul prone.
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    Re: 1st Round Game 1 - Sixers Sun Apr 20 6PM

    ESPN - Philadelphia vs. Detroit - Box Score - April 20, 2008

    Above is the box score. It reads 18 offensive for the Sixers and 20 offensive for the Pistons. 45 overall for the Sixers and 43 overall for the Pistons. But thats natural since we missed so many more shots.
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    Re: 1st Round Game 1 - Sixers Sun Apr 20 6PM

    I only have two things to say:

    1) No AA; No W.

    2) Our winning percentage when AA play significant minutes is __ (Lee, please fill in blank). I don't care if it is because he truly has an impact on the game or it is like the superstition of not shaving un til you win. When he plays; we win; plain and simple. I want to win so play him!!!!!

    Now was that so hard?
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    Re: 1st Round Game 1 - Sixers Sun Apr 20 6PM

    From the recaps i read we were getting burned on penetration and on the glass by Dalambert. Allowing tons of penetration is not good defense regardless of FG %.

    This team will always be at odds with Flip for exactly what you said. We are not going to win on offense. Yes you have to score a specific amount, but we are not going to be the team that hits those "shots"
    We win with fundamentals and defense, efficient offense and ball movement. We are an oppurtunistic scoring team that can (could) shut you know. Flip will continually be at odds with this as he shows his inability to comprehend you need to play your best defensive players.

    And he overplayed the starters, but it's not the overplaying as much as it is that they don't get sufficient breaks in between and play whole quarters, sometimes whole quarters and a half.

    If this team continues to try to win in a way that they're not built for, we will continue to look like this; mediocre.

    Also i don't know why Sheed's taking the blame. It makes me sad to see this team get out-coached on a regular basis. I could go on to name countless mistakes the players make, but the bottomline is there are always going to be mistakes, it's up to the coach to put the team in the position to succeed.

    And Hayes awfulness shouldn't mean just playing Tay more. Flip has had tons of time to come up with a different idea in fact what was the whole point of playing AA at SF the last few games? Boredom? Kicks?)

    The only good part about this is after reading Joe's recent comments about Sheed, i have faith Flip will go before him.
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    Re: 1st Round Game 1 - Sixers Sun Apr 20 6PM

    Thanks for mentioning that. Max tried to blame the loss on playing the rookies, and our starters being rusty. But gee, we won the first half handily, and were putting on a clinic at times. Not much sign of rust, except possibly some for Rip. (Who had to rest that hip injury.)

    The game was clearly lost in the 2nd half, with guys like Sheed running out of gas from getting no rest in the first half of the game. To the Flip apologists out there, can you please explain why Flip felt comfortable playing a 33 year old that much?

    Was the team rusty? Wait a moment, we were going into Sheed for easy buckets the whole first half. Everything seemed to be going pretty darn well. Heck, we can't complain at all about excessive outside shooting in that first half. For a long time to start the game, neither Rip nor Billups even took a shot.

    Now Max claims our rebounding was fine. Was it? Was it as good as it could have been. Our two best rebounders are Amir and Dyess. Dyess played little, as he really can't match up with Philly too well. And Amir did not even play.

    And Max claims our defense was fine too. Really. Both Miller and Greene had excellent games against us. Could'nt we have done a bit better. Just maybe we should have played our best perimeter defender, Afflalo.

    Now some say we should have won. With the guys that played. Nope. Philly will beat that group every time. Perhaps like Max said, if Hunter had not played, maybe we could have won. And I say if Hayes had not played, it would have improved our chances too. Even less of Dyess would have helped too. But someone has to play the minutes. Our starters played enough. So why not play young, good, solid energetic players like Afflalo and Amir.

    We played good enough D? Nope. Prince played fine D, holding Iggy to some horrid shooting. Look at what the rest of the Pistons did with the rest of the Philly players. Not so good. We will never beat Philly without two of our best defenders playing.
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    Re: 1st Round Game 1 - Sixers Sun Apr 20 6PM

    What I am saying Lee is that holding a team to 90 points and 43% shooting no matter how slice or dice it should be enough for a win. Sure the defense could have been better but the Sixers still only got 90 points out of it.

    Did you see the 4th quarter? Did you notice that the Pistons could not hit a shot in the final possetions of the game?
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    Re: 1st Round Game 1 - Sixers Sun Apr 20 6PM

    That is not why they lost. The game was over when miller took over the game from chauncey. Sheed should not have been in the huddle joking around, but maybe he was trying to keep loose, either way that is not why he missed the layup. He should have made that layup, but the game should not have gotten to that point. The pistons were outcoached and outplayed very badly in the second half. The sixers guard lived in the paint and we could not make shots. We have a terrible offensive philosophy and when the shots are not falling, the bottom drops out very quickly.
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    Re: 1st Round Game 1 - Sixers Sun Apr 20 6PM

    Celtics up by 17 with 7 left in the 3rd...think they'll piss it away? NOT!
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    Re: 1st Round Game 1 - Sixers Sun Apr 20 6PM

    That's Detroit. They turn it on and turn it off.

    - Andre Iguodala
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    Re: 1st Round Game 1 - Sixers Sun Apr 20 6PM

    Lee, Sheed is pro athlete who had A WHOLE MONTH played maybe 50% so you cant blame flip for keeping Sheed in: Sheed was our only PIP guy there. And sixers penetration wasn't so horrible how you prefer it to see: most of this "penetration" came from fastreak situation and such things are pretty normal after bad shots, regardless of who plays.

    Lee, in my opinion our bench is not so good that they can shovel starters crap( i.e. correct starters mistakes)

    It is not flip's fault that CB missed 3 FT in a row and at the last posession CB almoust turned ball over.
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    Re: 1st Round Game 1 - Sixers Sun Apr 20 6PM

    I do think that Flip went into this game with the firm belief that his starting squad would win this game handily, with only modest help from the bench. I thought the same thing myself. When that game plan fell apart, in the second half, I think Flip was disoriented and surprised, and fell back on what he was most comfortable with -- relying on the veteran bench player, Lindsay.
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    Re: 1st Round Game 1 - Sixers Sun Apr 20 6PM

    The Pistons? What I saw is some very tired players wearing Pistons unifrms. Tay, no rest. Rip, no rest. Sheed, no rest. Billups, no rest. Maxiell only played about 30 minutes, but as he did not start, the rest pattern for him was far from optimal. Horrid coaching.

    This is the playoffs. Defense tightens up. You want to win, you need championship caliner D. Look into your history books and tell me how many times we held a team under 43% in the 04 playoffs.
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    Re: 1st Round Game 1 - Sixers Sun Apr 20 6PM

    Ouuch. That hurts.

    But doesn't Andre know that it is all Flip Saunders' fault? :rofl:

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