Actually, a bit of revisionist history here. Bill D. already planned to fire LB before he won the title. So that was nearly a year before the NY thing. Second, Flip Saunders was already on the hook to be hired in February of the title defense season, which again, pre-dated the NY thing. As the facts have come out, it seems to me that LB did what he had to do given that he knew his fate in Detroit was sealed. That's not to defend LB, who is as big of a scoundrel as anyone, but in this situation, the blame is on Bill D being disloyal to LB and the fans, before it was LB being disloyal to the fans and organization. And on Ben, Joe never made an offer IIRC. He thought he was so clever, he let everyone else set Ben's market value, and when they set it high, Joe never offered anything back. I would be interested to know if he actually made an offer to Ben, so if I am wrong, by all means correct me on this one.