Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by Nemo, Jan 17, 2010.
Since when are the Pistons not profitable?
SO DID I, Tate. Not shocked at all
I know there are economic woes for Detroit, but it seems that any new ownership couldn't move out of the State due to history and legacy, fan base, etc. The Sonics had a rich history, but there was a stalemate on a new Arena - we have a solid one, and the chance for a downtown Arena. Before Katrina, the Hornets were all but ready to go to OKC, but the NBA refused because what the team meant to the city / PR disatser (which I disagreed with - the Saints are one thing, the Hornets never seemed to capture that fan base). I don't see a new owner being able to move a beloved, supported team like the Pistons - even if they so desired which is not necesarily the case.
I don't think moving out of the state is a legitimate concern right now. We've been one of the better NBA franchises over the last 10+ years with some of the best attendance numbers. Wouldn't even really make sense, there are other NBA teams in legit bad shape. The Hornets being one of them (like kpaav said, that city bleeds black and gold).
Moving back into the city I think is a bigger concern. The parking sucks. Whatever is best for the city I'm down for.
The problem is, Joe Louis Arena will need more than $10 million in structural repairs before next season
Read more: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100118/SPORTS0102/1180361/1127/Pistons--Palace-may-be-for-sale#ixzz0d0AClA9V
So get of 3 Red wings , save the $$$$ and fix it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But that might result in $10M less in profits.
Can't some of the stimulus money be used for sports stadiums? If they are looking to boost construction and save jobs while spending the money, then this would be a nice use for it. It also provides a public benefit because it is an entertainment center open to the public (for a fee of course).
C'mon now...you never see me bragging about any predictions.
Not to single you out. Only thing I recall when we had this discussion was people posting jokes about other famous Karens.
This could be a good thing. Better to have an owner we don't know then one that does not have a clue which I don't think she does.
When you think about it. He was married to her for what 10-12 years. What kind of losers his kids must be that they were totally left out of this.
Press has done a complete sub par job on reporting about what exactly was set out by Bill D in his will. What kind of conditions and what not. I recall reading something about certain restrictions on what they could do with the team. Who knows, never been important enough to write about I suppose.
If the pistons are in fact sold and moved back into the city it'll be a both a financial and PR nightmare.
1st Detroit is a cesspool for which people are leaving in droves. Very few people would get excited about the possibility of heading into Detroit two to three times a week. Ask the Lions, and Red Wings. The Tigers have always played in Detroit, but they were in a playoff race last season and they were basically giving tickets away!
There's a reason why MR. D moved them away from the city and it's the same reason Ilitch has been trying to find an escape rout for the Wings for a few years now!
On top of that you have the economic situation in Detroit, Any new arena would most likely require more public money then private. Since the state has seen little to no return on Ford Field & Comerica Park and it's hesitancy to build the Wings a new stadium I doubt in this economy any owner could convince officials to fork over millions to satisfy the money hungry NBA!
I understand the appeal of moving the team back to Detroit. But Detroit's population is disappearing quicker then Tiger Woods marketability!
Plus it's just not fare to the fans in the rest of the state. I live in the thumb, about 40 miles from the Palace. I go to about 30 games a year and and honestly they'll lose my $3000 a year. Because I'm not driving 80 miles one way to go to a Pistons game and I know I'm not the only one( just ask the Lions.)
I used to go to a few Lions and Wing games, but The parking at The Joe got ridicules and I had my car broken into twice at Ford Field, and didn't even get a refund for the parking!
Basically I don't see Mrs. D's family letting her sell the team. If she does, most likely the team will move. I just can't think of any business that is investing in the Detroit area so I can't see a new owner spending millions to buy the team only to spend more to move the team to a dilapidated area... Plus it's no secret Stern hates the Pistons, he might just take this opportunity to stick it to the entire area. Seattle SuperSonics anyone?
I think Bing will give Karen an offer she can't refuse... splitting the cost with the Wings could put them back in black.... Of course this is premature depending on a potential sale... She actually called Stern to get the details?... this could be large.
The Dome & the Palace in Oakland county possibly open for new business.
I'm confused. The Pistons ownership OWNS the Palace. Why would they want to pay money to go back into the city?
Because The Palace is old, well in terms of newer arena's!
Also The Pistons(the team) doesn't own The Palace. The Palace Sports and Entertainment arm owns it. So any sale of the Pistons wouldn't necessarily include the arena!
Great points (no, not really). You say you understand the appeal of moving the team downtown, yet you think it's a bad idea? Or "not fare" as you said. I suppose it would be more "fare" if the Pistons played up in the thumb? Listen, whatever someone personally feels about downtown Detroit, logistically speaking it is the most "fare" point on the map for all people. Three major freeways connect to downtown, plus major roads like Woodward, Michigan, and Gratiot, etc. This is why central cities exist, to bring people together.
And if this is a joke: "But Detroit's population is disappearing quicker then Tiger Woods marketability!" I'm begging you to consider being more funny in the future.
Maybe they should just use the Silverdome.
I don't really care where the Pistons play, as long as they stay in Michigan. It would be such a bummer if they moved out of state, picked up some florescent uniforms and a bad name.
Yeah, I've always been a both sides of the story kinda guy. Clearly you fail to understand. Here I'll help you out - The appeal of the team moving back to the city is A) To unite all the major teams within the city. B) To contribute to the Detroit economy, which has been in a constant state of "recovery" since the mass exodus of the 60's and 70's. And C) to attract investor and tourists to the area... You know the same game Ilitch and Ford ran when they wanted new stadiums for the Lions and Tigers. Hmm, How'd that work out?
Like I said, I understand the appeal but again like I said, when you take in to account the economy, crime rate, population decrease and location of Detroit within state, YES IT'S A BAD IDEA!
Don't believe me? Look at the Lions. They sucked when they were in Pontiac and in all those years how many games were "blacked out" due to no sell outs? Sure some people didn't buy tickets because they couldn't afford to. But I'm willing to bet a good percentage in the north didn't go because they didn't want to drive 80 or more miles to a dank depressing has been of a city.
So it's perfectly alright for the team to move closer to a city with population of 900,000 and further away(in most cases) from the other 9 million Michigan residents???
You clearly haven't seen the Prince/Gordon commercial in which Tay explains the hand/map thing!
Here" I'll help, again! See the little dot in the bottom right corner that reads "Detroit?" Thats Detroit! See the orange? That would be the rest of the state or 9,100,000 people, which ever you prefer!
Actually "central city's" exist mainly has hubs for the distribution lines. They were originally formed around merchant shipping. That would be why 15 of the top 20 major cities in the country are located on or near by a major water source that lead to the ocean's.
The people came for the jobs that the distribution industry created. Not because they wanted to be closer to their fellow man!
Oh, and Flint has "three Major freeways" Would you be Okay with moving them there?
Is this a "I know you are but what am I" type thing? I have to ask because it's been about 20 years 14 years since I was in grade school.
I like Detroit, I really do. I respect where the city and it's people have been. But I'm also aware of where the city is currently at and where it's heading. The city is depressing just to drive trough, abandoned building after building, graffiti laced(well, everything) The city is so filthy that it looks like February even in may! It stinks, especially around that foundry just south of city. You can't trust the Police. The officials are as corrupt as any in Chi-town and when the people actually had an opportunity to elect someone with actual leadership experience and integrity only 22% shows up to vote and they vote for another corrupt first time politician. Again I like Detroit, at least I like what it once was, but the simple brutal truth is it's never going to be that again!
More details from the Free Press
I like the Flint idea...
The Flint Stones.
The Flint Lighters.
Or how about the Kalamazoo Animals?
Just going out on a limb here, but it seems most of the population, especially NBA fans in Michigan are located in the Metro Detroit area.
<img src = "http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Michigan_population_map.png ">
So, putting the team "central" geographically is not necessarily putting it closer to ALL people.
Just helping you out with the image here:
CJ, you make an interesting point, but on a 36-minute basis the population distribution is not as lopsided..
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