Pistons Will Hire John Kuester

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  1. roscoe36

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    There seems to be this prevailing attitude that the coach has to yell at the players and be tough with them to get them to perform.

    Guys play for D'Antoni and PJ because they like them. They play for Pop and LB because they respect them.

    Coaches who try to bully, burn out. Like Paul silas or AJ.

    Chuck Daly and Pat Riley didn't have to treat their players like bad children to get them to play for them.

    Your coach has to be as smart as his assistants, or it won't work. That's why Curry's staff mutinied on him.

    This is arguably the most important hire of the offseason, and I think it is hard to argue there was someone better Joe passed up.
  2. pass99

    pass99 All-Star Forum Donor

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    Insightful post. You have reason to be concerned.

    He is an X/O type and the maneuvering around the clip board is no where near the personality type you have to be in managing player personnel and the media. Smoothness in cognitive and verbal communication helps, but the command level is behind the scenes.

    Leadership is not substantive associations where you comprehend the obvious layers (the similarity of connected parts).

    Leadership is first and foremost a command of stagecraft: how you use signs and symbols. The more complex the situation (and to this new team mixture it will be increasingly complex) the greater the refinement of message. Soon the current that brings the message transforms the content. The message reverses itself internally and comprehension becomes another message tuned inward toward self-consciousness and self-awareness.

    Another take on this is from Thomas Schelling (The Strategy of Conflict):

    Analytically,...the essence of bargaining is the communicating of intent, the perception of intent, the manipulation of expectations about what one will accept or refuse, the issuance of threats, offers, and assurances, the display of resolve and evidence of capabilities, the communication of constraints on what one can do, the search for compromise and jointly desire exchanges, the creation of sanctions to enforce understanding and agreements, genuine efforts to persuade and inform, and the creation of hostility, friendliness, mutual respect, or rules of etiquette.

    You may not know how to create it or use it. You may not know how to understand it...but, you will feel its' presence.
  3. roscoe36

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    Good post pass, however, Kuester was an NCAA head coach before becoming an NBA assistant. He has more experience than just carrying a clipboard. He's been the head man before, and some argue, he was the head man in Cleveland tactically, while Brown was the head man when it came to public relations.
  4. TaS

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    You may be right. I don't know anything about this guy, so I'm going to keep an open mind until I see how he commands the team.

    But why didn't anyone hire him over the last several years? What are his biggest weaknesses in your opinion... or from what you know about him?
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    Effective coaches must command the space and lightness to transform. You don't have to be a heavy-weight (as you have perceptively commented), but be aware of presentation:
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    I dunno. Why hasn't anyone hired Laimbeer? I mean, if they really wanted him, he could have quit the WNBA anytime. There is plenty of collusion in the NBA.

    I know nothing about his coaching style. I only know that he played for the best, he's coached with one of the best, he's been on 3 teams that went to the Finals and he has already been in Detroit, so he gets points for familiarity. It's not like Joe hired someone he didn't know or isn't known around the league coaching fraternity. He just doesn't have the high Detroit profile of Laimbeer, or national profile of Collins and Johnson.

    Rosenberg has a decent article (for once) on this
    John Kuester has history with Pistons | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press
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    Honestly...I know little about Keister. I hope for the best, but can't help wondering why Joe put up the show with AJ.
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    Some of the early responses to this thread concerned me, but I like that now that I have staked out a more moderate position, folks admit, they just don't know.

    And neither do I.

    And Joe's best moves have been the ones that fans were neither wildly for, or against. But the ones that split down the middle or left most of us head scratching.

    We're all going to be looking for the same things we have looked for the last few years.

    Do we play hard?
    Do we have a deep rotation?
    Can we score out of timeouts?
    Can our coach articulate the game situation to a sideline reporter in a manner that does not sound wooden and perfunctory?
    Will our coach hold himself accountable and thus gain the respect of his team?
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    Ok, so from that article, here is the perceived weakness in the guy:

    So, Joe's gamble is either that 1) Kuester really is a leader and just hasn't been able to show it yet b/c of his assistant role (he reportedly stood up to LB and disagreed with him once or twice), or 2) Kuester won't have to deal with much drama this year because of all the young guys and fresh FA signings.

    Maybe Joe is looking for a coach that won't ruffle any feathers and will teach the young players something while we rebuild?
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    This is what i meant when i said he didn't look intimidating. He's doesn't strike me as a take charge guy, a leader, someone players will rally around. Granted it's premature speculation based on a picture, but i did feel like the same way about twitch err Flip LOL

    I don't to need him to look like an army general or a screaming lunatic, but he doesn't seem to have any "presence" about him.
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    Or will be subservient and won't intimidate him.
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    Some guys look meek, but gain respect over a period of time. Larry Brown is a good example. He's a little guy and he talks softly most of the time. But he commands respect.

    I like Roscoe's checklist:
    Especially the last point.

    If this guy does certain things, he will win the players over and his word will carry a lot more weight than a scream.

    I'm actually much less concerned about our new coach right now than our defensive direction.
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    From a single sideline photograph?
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    Looks like its enough for some. :stirthepot:
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    It's pretty superficial.
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    I know and I give you John Kuester:

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    Yeah... I like the emotion. Looks like more than a typical assistant to me.

    Maybe Mike Brown was already ejected from this game?
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    Now we have two photos, we can REALLY judge his personality and character!
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    SVG can be pretty harsh as well and it works.
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    I don't know. I am glad we did not hire Avery Johnson. Better to have someone who has never been a head coach than to have someone who has already failed at it. And the guy would have been impossible to fire in the 1st 3 seasons or so.

    Then there is Lambs. Fun pick but I was not willing to take that kind of chance.

    Maybe Cowens would have been nice but Kuester is our guy. He can turn out to be pretty good. Going to have a much easier introduction than Curry had. No huge ego's to worry about or anything. At least not at 1st.

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