Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by roscoe36, Dec 17, 2006.
I think Nazr's minutes are mostly going to "The Viagra Guy".
It depends on how much a supply of Viagra Arnie has and how long Stern will keep letting him serve it up!!
I would like to say yes. Yes Maxiel is going to get more time than Dyess. Who knows after last nights game he may. I doubt it though. McDyess is still an untouchable I am sure.
6th Starter you know, he can do no wrong.
On Mohammed, he is not going to get benched after the team just commited a 30mil contract to him. If he is deemed a dissapointment then if anything he will continue to start to keep his trade value up there.
I sure hope so.
There are 5 guys who have a chance at minutes. Here is what I hope happens:
Sheed: 35.3 mpg -7.3 mpg= 28 mpg
Dice: 21.2 mpg -1.2 mpg= 20 mpg
Nazr: 19.4 mpg -.4 mpg= 19 mpg
J Max: 10.4 mpg +5.6 mpg= 16 mpg
Dale : 10.4 mpg +2.6 mpg= 13 mpg
JMax gobbles up a large chink of Dyess' minutes. McDyess is moving in slow motion, his knees are going and he's trying to play himself into game shape.
Flip will fall to his own comments in which he said the best players will play. This statement equates to JMax playing significant minutes each and every game as long as he gives consistent effort.
Joe will have plenty to say if Rasheed comes back and we fall back into that same lame rotation with no Dale and No JMax.
You have fallen in love with an urban myth.
Delfino will not seize the moment...Maxiell will.
Don’t we want him to take Dyess's job? Don’t we want Jmax to be the getting minutes and develop to increase our depth? Isn't the point of drafting a player is that he actually play?
If you look at the Spurs just about everybody gets some burn http://www.nba.com/spurs/stats/
Same for Dallas http://www.nba.com/mavericks/stats/
If you look at the minutes a game stat overall http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Minutes.jsp it is misleading because you don’t see a piston untill # 25 but almost every guy above them is suppose to carry the team they are on.
I would like to see every guy that suits up gets to see some action. When a team gets in the penalty and you know that fouls are going to stop the game get a guy in there even if it’s just until the next foul. Mix it up a little so a team has to scout everyone not just the same 7 or 8 guys.
If Joe is that petty, find a new GM. We got a chance to win it all this season. No way a GM should mess with that, and no way I belive for a second Joe is thinking that way.
Flip also flat out said JMAX would not be getting 32 minutes per game, which of course is a direct contradiction to saying that the way players play dictate their minutes.
Also, on the subject of minutes, its funny how the younger players have to earn minutes, while Flip Murray will be "given" minutes, lots of minutes, to try to pull his self out of a slump.--Me, I say Flip Murray is in no slump. What Flip Murray has shown of late is typical Flip Murray. It seems on occasion this season that Flip Murray is managing to suppress his great urge to call his own number--but it always turns out just to be a temporary suppression and its back to being Flip Murray.
With that said, here is how I think the minutes should go. No Flip Murray. No Mohammed. That takes out our two weak links on defense, and it takes out the two guys who fit the least in an offensive scheme where teamwork is front and center.
Our starters should become Billups, Rip, Tay, Maxiell, and Sheed, with each getting 32 minutes.
Our bench should be Blalock, Delfino, Amir Johnson, Dyess, Dale Davis, with each getting 16 minutes. Remember, Dale is getting old. Although he can temporarily play more, that should be saved for the playoffs.
The entire game would feature us going into the post. Mostly JMAX for the 1st unit, and then Amir Johnson for the 2nd unit.
All good points here, but I can't see trying to fix something that isn't broken.
As long as CB and Rip are carrying the Off. load our front line will SEEM weak. CB has to trust Nazz more. On Off. Nazz is efficient. JMax requires special attention [due to his size] when he gets in, he should get more of Tays minutes.
The good news is the bench is playing more and as a 4+1 unit.!
I'm totally against trading any of these guys, and that includes F.M.
I think that JMax is making it obvious that earning playing time on the Pistons pretty much means that you have to be the best player and do it several times in a row. No mistakes, no missed-shots, no bad calls against you, etc.
Bargnani, Melo, Nowitski, Howard... these guys would have all whithered with the Pistons as rookies with little or no PT. They would have had to pay their dues and learn to be post players from Sheed (who posts up about as often as Chauncey). Most of them would have gone ballistic and probably demanded a trade.
Maxiell is doing and saying everything just right. Joe correctly assessed this kid's game and character. Now, he needs to make sure that Flip doesn't ruin it.
He should and hopefully he will. Unless of course, you believe in urban myths.
All it takes is opening up the energy level. The bench has to learn comfort levels with the starters and as I mentioned before, some of them should start to accelerate this process. Flip need not shy away from bruising some of the many huge egos on the team.
It would be a huge mistake for JD to trade DD. He is very valuable insurance to have in the long haul and plus, he is playing excellent ball. If he can bring close to a double-double in 20 minutes, then everyone wins. JMax and DD keep everyone honest in the paint.
Prince needs to sit on the bench , which frees up JMax. DD can rotate with Sheed, Naz and McDyess with Sheed getting the most minutes.
Interchangeable parts are nice but I perfer to dance with who brought me. Stability must mean something to these guys.
Just found an interesting stat, but i wasnt surprised.
J-Max is currently 3rd on the Pistons in FTA/game. Not per48, but per game.
CB - 6.6
Rip - 6.5
J-Max - 2.5
Sheed - 2.3
Tay - 2.1
Nazr - 1.9
Everyone already knows it, but for Sheed to average 2.3 FTA per game is a sin. He has more 3PA than 2PM.
I like that stat as a guide to a balanced game. If you make more 2 pointers than you attempt 3 pointers, thats a good balance. Currently 4 Pistons fail this test.
Billups 133-84 (3PA-2PM)
They have had years of stability and now it is catching up to them. They are leaderless and barely have the edge at home games. The talent is the same, the desire and mental framework are too inconsistent. Flip is not like LB, with the latter putting them on trial working through the media. Flip's method should be to rotate the players, and we should be seeing more of this as evident from JMax and further substitution patterns.
The pistons are the deepest team in the East. Correct me if I am mistaken, but did not the majority of the forum members want an increase in bench playing this year? Certainly JD stressed this, and then you have Sheed going lame (?), which I hope is only the beginning of finding good working combinations. You might recall that I had mentioned that December should be the start of these substitution patterns and continuing through Jan. I hope it not only continues, but increases.
Yes I do remember that. But if we lose a couple in this bench era, I bet Twitcher dumps the whole project. A one week ankle repair? Let it rest.
10 minutes that's all he should get.
I voted undecided because I am still of the opinion that he should be taking some of Tayshaun's minutes, not Dyess'. DD should be sharing with him.
And I do think the Piston's bench is good. They are probably the second best in the East, IMO.
YES (said with reservations).
One thing I can say in Dyess's favor is he really sucked while on the court with NazMo. He seemed to be more effective comming off of the bench, paired with any other big.
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