Post All Star Break Agendas

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  1. Slippy

    Slippy All-Star Administrator Forum Donor

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    Joe mentioned that after the all star break, we would begin to get ready for the playoff run. Specifically he said they'll start playing Davis and Hunter more.

    I want to add to that that Delfino has GOT to get more minutes. Mo will do what he does and that really ain't bad but in Delfino, you got a guy who has the potential to be a difference maker. Can he be trusted in the playoffs? Not right now. But he's improving in strides and honestly, when things go south for us or we need that extra oomf off the bench, you want someone better than Mo.

    Will the starters get more rest? This will be an issue the rest of the way.

    I doubt that Dumars will be able to swing a back-up PG. The only ones worthy enough seem to be valued by their teams. So how will flip bring along Hunter AND acker? You can't dismiss the 3rd PG because what if your backup goes down. Dumars said that if Billups goes down so will the Pistons but what about Hunter? Even if Acker doesn't have to deal with playmaking or major minutes, you at least want him to have some NBA experience.

    There's more but i'll leave it for now.
     
  2. Darth Tater

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    I agree. Develop, develop, develop...and then develop some more. The Pistons have built up a nice lead. Just win enough to slide by and get the best record and keep home court in the East. I'd rather develop the bench then spend too much energy beating out the Western teams. We might not have to play the team with the best record anyhow.

    Delfino CAN make the difference. Let's see what Acker can do. Why not? And get Maxiel in there a little bit too.

    Thing is...what does Flip think about this? :ohwell:
     
  3. Warthog

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    if you listened to joe's audio interview, he's stated that several teams have already called offering PGs. backup point guards are not difficult to find.

    i'd be down with lue or claxton, both are better shooters than arroyo; lue already is friends with chauncey, and claxton can get in the lane whenever he wants.
     
  4. himat

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    claxton, or knight would be great.
     
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    Agendas

    1. Health
    2. Expand the playbook
    3. Work Davis and Hunter into playoff shape
    4. Health
    5. Sell more bobble heads
    6. Homecourt
    7. Health
    8. Resist the urge to bring in a backup point
    9. Dice 20MPG+
    10. Play the bejeezus out of Delfino to see if he can steal Tay's job
     
  6. Mad Hatter

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    The "Win Now" club will hold it's annual meeting just after the deadline. Might be rough for those clowns wearing Orl jerseys under their shirts.

    I'm comfortable with our top 10. Especially if Delfino continues to emerge. If Cato is broke down and EC ain't interested, then DD better get ready. Be good to get a couple of rooks in unis.
     
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    1.) Get a backup PG!!!
    2.) Play Delfino more!!!
    3.) Play Mc Dyesss about 4-5 minutes more
    4.) work out some units that actually can play together
    5.) Improve defense against quick, penetrating players, which will become extremely important against Miami (Wade) and the Spurs (Parker and Ginobili)
    6.) Improve defensive rebounding
    7.) get Tay involved into the O more
    8.) stay healthy
    9.) get the starters as much rest as possible
    10.) rotate, make some experiments
     
  8. bricalz

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    I don't know if we can make the deal for a backup PG but claxton and knight are good choices. Lue? I'd like to leave him near the end of the list.
     
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    i'm telling you tht rip should gaurd these quick guys instead of tayshaun. tayshaun is a bertter defender, but rip is much quicker and he defends the penetrators ike ginobili and wade much better. tay should gaurd the best shooters on the opponents team.
     
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    i've got to agree. lue's been injured and i know that we could get a guy who can get in the paint with claxton, and a true point gaurd in brevin, but i'm not sure what the the pistons would get out of tyronn lue.
     
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    Tyronne Lue is one of the best 3P shooting PGs in the NBA. He was a scrub on 2 NBA Champion Lakers teams. He's only 28. He's played 18 playoff games. I don't like him, but he's a better fit than Brevin Knight.

    I doubt that New Orleans is trading Claxton.

    We have to shift our perspective to accommodate that the Pistons need a "Flip Saunders" type PG, not a Larry Brown one. The PG has to be able to pass, penetrate and shoot. That eliminates Knight who can only pass and penetrate. He's a career 0.158 shooter from 3 point land. He's also 30, incredibly injury prone and only ever played 9 games in the playoffs. In fact, he's never made it out of the first round.
     
  12. FreshPrince22

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    1. Get the backup PG situation worked out. Whether it's bringing in someone or using Delfino/Lindsey. We need something concrete there.

    2. Play Delfino 20-25mpg. I know it's a long shot that he'll get those kinds of minutes, but he deserves them easily. Have him play some Point. Give Rip/Tay more rest. Cut down Mo's minutes a bit.

    3. More post play. Dice needs more post touches. Less pick and pop, and more of those Turn around jumpers on the baseline. Same for Sheed and Tayshaun.

    4. No more 10-12 three-ball attempt games for Sheed. Keep it around 4-5 attempts unless he's absolutely on fire.

    5. REBOUNDING. Defensive rebounding has been pathetic this season. That will be crucial in the playoffs. If Tayshaun and Sheed don't want to do the dirty work, then bring in Delfino and Dice. Those guys seem more than willing to get on the glass.

    6. Shot selection. Chauncey needs to settle down on those transition threes. Especially in late-game situations. The Miami game also exposed our shot selection a bit. They were doing everything from 20 feet out down the strech. Everything with a hand in the face.

    7. Stay Healthy. HCA doesn't mean %%%% if we've got guys hobbling up and down the court. I worry about Big Ben and Chauncey (with his recent spike in minutes) especially.
     
  13. TWOTIMESRALPHI

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    does any of you guys really think NOH would trade Claxton or the Bobcats Knight? Both of them have way too much value to be acquired easily. If Joe doesn't bring in a solid, Mike James- like backup PG, this trade is his worst ever...
     
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    i agree with micro, we need a guard who can shoot, and knight is *not* it. he gets a lot of steals and assists because of the way the bobcats run their offense.

    i'd take claxton with his speed and penetration, or lue with his experience and shooting. or mike james obviously.
     
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    We don't need a shooter. We need a slasher. We need someone who can cut to the basket, drive to the basket, dish to the open guy and score if he has the opening.

    I can't imagine Tyronn Lue doing that. I haven't seen him do that often, if he does it at all. Yes, he is a good three point shooter but we have lots of those already. We don't need someone else to throw it up from beyond the arc. Chauncey, Tay, Sheed, and even Rip can do that already and Evans as well.

    I'm thinking Brevin Knight because he can get the ball to Dice like Arroyo did and maybe penetrate a bit and dish.

    Claxton is having a significantly improved year and get into the lane.

    Mike James, if he can be had like CLaxton and Knight, would be the best choice obviously, but he is playing too well probably to be traded.

    Tony Delk could do. Expiring contract as well. :P
     
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    Why not just let Delfino do the driving dishing/scoring and let Lue be the shooter? Lue is great at running of pick and rolls and pulling up for mid range shots (Flip loves running those). I think being able to shoot is the most important thing when you're a PG next to Rip. The difference between Rip's effectiveness with Arroyo/Chauncey was all in the shooting. Chauncey's man can't sag off to help on Rip, but when Arroyo goes in the game his man sags off and cuts off the passing lane as Rip comes around those screens.
     
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    could you explain to me why you think that the Bobcats or the Hornets would trade their two starting PG's who play very well this season and who are running their offenses, would trade them for an expiring contract who can't even play???
     
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    Yup Delfino could do that. And Lue could as well.

    But I'd prefer they do it both. Like I said, we need someone who will create that dynamic in the offense. So that's why I like Knight or Claxton.

    Well, this post could very well be in the backup PG thread but hey, I'll explain why they could trade Claxton and Knight. It's because this is just a proposal. Reality is another thing. All I'm saying is why not make a run for them since we can always try right?

    If we're gonna trade for Lue then might as well keep Cato and sign Anthony Goldwire.
     
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    1. Hope no one gets hurt. Do something about it by getting starters out of games with decent leads. You can't be afraid to play your guys in the 30s, but get 'em out when you can.

    2. Get some rebounding - Ben is at the same average per game as last year, everyone else is down, from 27.1 per game last year to 22.4 this year for the big six. TP, RW, and AD are down 20%+ from last year. Five boards is an eight or nine point swing in the game.

    2. Find some plays that don't involve the bigs shooting from 18+, at least as the first or second option. Sheed hitting a couple of threes sucks the life out of the opponents, but how 'bout he never shoots one with more than 15 seconds on the clock?

    2. Start every game by throwing the ball in to Ben in the post. It gets him involved and I like the swagger of it. And he scored a reasonable number of times last year (at least in my memory).

    3. For that matter, put Sheed, Tay, and Dice in the post every game for at least a couple of possessions.

    4. Delfino - in the game every game.

    5. Figure out how they used to shut teams down and get back to it. Anyone for a backcourt press or two?

    6. Hope Lindsey can still bring the defense. Nothing better than watching him chase the other team's second string point guard back to the bench.

    7. Get TP a few minutes at the point every game. That probably means CB goes out earlier in the 1st/3rd since TP needs to play 35 or less. Let him bring the ball up a couple of times with CB in the game.

    8. Everyone stretches a lot, eats their vegetables, and gets lots of sleep.
     
  20. Lee356

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    Needs

    1. A big center who can somewhat effectively guard Shaq for around 10 minutes per game. Without this, none of the below matter. Look at that last Miami game. Shaq scored when he darn well felt like it. And if you think it was all Wade down the stretch, you better ask why we never doubled Wade. The answer is we were already spending way to much energy keeping Shaq from dunking.

    2. Quit playing Evans in the regular rotation. We need to add another wing player to the mix, either thru trade, or developing one of our rookies. This can be any of Acker, Maxiell, or Amir.

    3. We need a backup point guard. We just let the best go. Water under the bridge now. You need a guy to come in and keep our team organized while Billups is not on the floor. If Hunter becomes our chief backup point, you can throw this season right out the window. Going into the playoffs with the worst playoff shooter of all time, and a backup point that is pretty much lost in the half court won't work. Hunter should be used as a defensive specialist, and thats it. As a defensive specialist, he is the best.

    Delfino might end up replacing Arroyo as the backup point. Pairing Hunter with him, with Hunter guarding the point guard on defense, might work. Another option is to pair up Rip with Delfino. Rip is very capable of guarding points, even the quickest of them, something Hunter can't do.

    But if Delfino plays exclusively as a gaurd, it just points up all the more the need for that extra wing player. I can't see Delfino playing major minutes. He already is getting to be expected to play some pretty tough defensive assignments. Expecting him to do this and play near starters minutes is begging for foul trouble on him.

    Another option is Acker at point. I belive Acker is capable enough to run the point, but in pre-season, he did not show the ability to stay in front of NBA point guards. So he would have to be paired again with Rip or Hunter.

    The next option is a trade. But that would be awful expensive to give up that over 8 million dollar expiring contract. Is there a trade out there that would work for both teams? The draft pick we could trade to a team for a player if that team was under the cap by 8 million. I doubt many teams are in that position if any.

    And the last option, pick up a point guard who is not currently playing in the NBA for league minimum. Of these, Frank Williams comes to mind first.
     

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