Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by max, Sep 17, 2008.
So what do you think? Superstar, bust or somewhere in between?
In sports, I see more flops than stars...Just too many who don't make it.
Although I love Amir...hint my name....I feel that he'll be a solid bench player. The only way he becomes a solid starter is if he bulks up and get a little more complete on the block. He plays like Ben Wallace (not as great...yet) meaning that he really doesn't matter if he's an all-star or a super star. He has that mentality already at 21.
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but really he still has to show us a lot if he wants to stay a rotation player, in particularly in between the ears. he does have the right attitude though.
your right but we don't always see what he does in practice/training camp
Pistons assistant Dave Cowens, on Amir Johnson:
"This guy does a lot of things you can't coach. But he doesn't do a lot of things, you can coach."....mlive.com/pistons
i can't wait when he really gets a chance to shine!
I say solid bench player like John Salley or Jerome Williams at best. So far, he's only shown that he's a great athlete who's still learning the NBA game.
He'll be better than that if he develops one or more of these:
1. A consistent outside shot
2. A strong go-to move in the post
3. Ability to take his man off the dribble and draw fouls
The obvious solution here is better coaching then.
I completely agree with the JYD comparison. I see him as JYD without the strength but with a nice baby hook
so very true
I'm not trying to put Amir down, but here's why I'm not buying what Big Dave's selling:
I've heard Joe D say the same thing about Delfino, Darko and Cleaves. They've got "something you can't coach" and they have "intangibles" you can't teach. I have no doubt that Dave's simply towing the party line.
Now, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. If Joe D and Cowens get too specific, it might come back to bite them. But unless they're telling me something very specific about Amir's strengths and weaknesses, it's blah blah blah.
Here are some examples of what Cowens is talking about.
April 18th, 2007. Pistons vs. the Celtics (1 year before their ship).
Amir Johnson was given 37 minutes of playing time.
Here's what he did with it:
20 points on 10-14 shooting
12 rebounds (6 offensive)
If you look at the 1 game from last year where Amir was given the most minutes (31), here is what he did:
7 blocked shots
He has filled up the stat sheet on occasion and he does it in an unorthodox way.
Good response. Each of the games you cited would be a career game for Delfino, Darko, or Cleaves. If Amir can do that with any kind of consistency he's an All-Star.
Consistency is the key word ... those could easily be Amir's career games as well.
The NBA is loaded with players who have career nights every now and then. Amir's an athletic, exciting player ala Dennis Rodman. Problem is, fans tend to gush about his potential and ignore the fact that he hasn't developed any consistency yet.
Again, I'm not putting Amir down, but I've seen plenty of games where he's looked lost, as if the game was too fast for him. Basically, he's still been developing "basketball instincts". This year we should all know one way or the other.
Amir had an absolute MONSTER game his 2nd year (I think) that would totally blow those away.
Now, if he can just stay out of foul trouble, he's likely to have consistent numbers that we can slice and dice.
I understand that. But Delfino, Darko, and Cleaves can't be spoken in the same conversation as Amir because he's coming out of high school. He's not from a different country or from college. Mateen failed because he thinks he's better than what he is, Darko still has international rules on his brain lol, and Delfino is a 2-position that is pushed to play the 3-position because of his size and ball handling skills. Amir has talent that's raw for a player that has been playing since 11th grade. He must be doing something right.
All Star back -up in 2 years.
Joe D's also said the same things about Tayshaun and Rip. There are reasons that Amir can't be spoken in the same conversations as those guys either.
My point: Joe D's been wrong before. Also, Joe and Cowens are using typical "cliches" to describe Amir without being specific.
I don't have a problem with it. I understand what Joe D and BigDave are doing. They've got reporters in their faces constantly asking about Amir. They've got emotional fans who only want to hear good things about Amir.
It may not seem like it (from my comments), but I'm very excited to see what Amir can do. Looks like he's going to get a chance to prove himself this year.
My main problem with situations like this is that we shouldn't have to wonder and speculate. If a guy has all this potential, it should have been flushed out on the court. There is plenty of time in the regular season to incorporate an athletic bench player.
We certainly have taken the patient route with Amir, so let's hope that it pans out and we end up with a more mature player who doesn't take PT for granted.
hey, you don't just steal starter minutes. You have to get a note from his parent.
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