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Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by dba, Jul 20, 2007.
Re: Tom Donaghy, the crooked ref and not a fan of Rasheed Sorry. I don't understand your question.
Re: Tom Donaghy, the crooked ref and not a fan of Rasheed There were people that lost money betting because games were fixed. Can they get a refund? If you play the lottery and later on find out that it is rigged, wouldn't you be trying to get your $$$ back?
Re: Tom Donaghy, the crooked ref and not a fan of Rasheed Las Vegas can kiss their franchise hopes goodbye. Even if it only ends up being one bad ref, the perception-issue alone will give a reluctant Stern all the reason he needs to keep the NBA out of Vegas. I know, I know...it's a gambling and organized crime issue not a Las Vegas problem per se, but on the heels of the All Star game mess this is probably the last nail in that coffin.
Re: Tom Donaghy, the crooked ref and not a fan of Rasheed I wonder when the FBI first started investigating him? I doubt the NBA was made aware of anything until after the season finished. NBA referee allegedly bet on games he officiated - NBA - MSNBC.com
Re: Tom Donaghy, the crooked ref and not a fan of Rasheed Moving this thread to the existing conversation.
Re: Tom Donaghy, the crooked ref and not a fan of Rasheed LOL. Don't they wish. Gambling is gambling and that is one of the variables in gambling. Of course a liberal court might find a way to force the legal gambling institutions to return funds where the better can prove that they bet on a certain game that was fixed and the fix affected their bet and led to them losing the bet. But a conservative court I think would rule that it is all part of the gambling thing and just another variable in the outcome of the bet that the bettor assumes responsibility for when they bet. Then again I am no lawyer or judge.
Re: Tom Donaghy, the crooked ref and not a fan of Rasheed Yes but they still have the Running Rebels and Lady Rebels.
How about NBA players controlled by the mob? Totally far-fetched?
Not at all. In fact, before today, I would have said it was more likely a player was involved than a ref.
Yeah, I was just wondering about Chauncey missing all those clutch free throws in some game endings.
At least Wade brought it. LeBron is just all talk and no show when it really counted. Come on, the Cavs got swept. Who fell asleep at the wheel there.
Wade had a pretty good supporting cast including Shaq who could still play pretty good two years ago. Who did Lebron have supporting him? Varejao and Z.
Stern has released a statement on NBA.com. Here's the text in full: From what I had been reading on news sites and hearing on the radio today, I assumed Stern was just going to go with "the FBI asked us not to comment, so all we'll say is that we're cooperating fully." Instead, he (1) confirmed that Donaghy is the target, and (2) made it clear he thinks Donaghy is guilty as charged. Stern is an attorney, and he wouldn't issue a statement like this unless the evidence was very strong.
Re: Tom Donaghy, the crooked ref and not a fan of Rasheed According to my count, he reffed one regular season Pistons game, and we won it. Every single team in the NBA has fans who think the refs are out to get them. I think it's hogwash, a nice bedtime story to help us feel better about losing or not doing what it takes to dominate the competition. This issue stops with Donaghy. Take it the bank (or the casino, as it were)
Re: Tom Donaghy, the crooked ref and not a fan of Rasheed And you are positive about this? 100%? Tim was betting on games he reffed (makes sense) as well as games in which he was not the referee (wait a minute here). Why would he bet on a game that wasn't "a sure thing" when he could just wait until his number came back around? Unless of course he had a cohort. Or two. Or three. All in all, I don't believe we can be 100% sure that Tim is the only guy out there. It's not like the idea to do this was just innovated, and the fact that he did it only proves that it can be done right under the proverbial nose of the NBA. All Tim amounts to is the only person that got caught. He may still roll over on any buddies he could have been working with. Then again, if the "mob ties" are true, he might come up missing before then.
I just think the "mob ties" thing is a easy tidy way to keep people from looking at other refs. It's easy to say "This guy got caught up with the 'wrong people.'" without actually conducting any further investigations. I seriously doubt he's the only one.
I seriously doubt the NBA tries to prevent any further investigations. The NBA is made of money. Anything possible to eradicate this image of truly corrupt referees will be worth it to them. Let the witch hunts begin!
I would love to see some of the games this guy paticipated in. Anyone know which ones he did? Especially any Pistons games.
JC, what if they turn up 5 refs in an investigation? Consider how many games would be under scrutiny as possibly being compromised. The devastation would probably warrant Stern's resignation.
Oh, absolutely. And I do like to play the what if? game, and I like hearing these other ideas about what people think is going on. I just think that Stern is too smart to have let something that ugly happen. He would resign in such a case, I would think, primarily over the perception that he was grossly incompetent in not detecting this or preventing it. Of all the things we say about Davey, has grossly incompetent ever been one of them? The man is a shark, and he has been all over this league. Color me very very surprised if we find out he has let this get away him. Oh, and devastation is definitely the right word for the fallout from such a revelation.
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