Refs Betting on Games?

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  1. roscoe36

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    In the past I haven't believed the refs were compromised by anything, but instead that they were incompetent.

    This thing has my head spinning, because it was going on under Stern's nose, and he was implementing zero tolerance which considering that at least 1 ref may have compromised, gave that guy even more tools to affect outcomes.

    I think we would be naive to believe that Donaghy was the only NBA ref who ever bet on a game. The question is, are there other active or recently active refs who may have been involved collectively or independently? If a ref gambled 20 years ago and retired, I'm pretty sure they will let that sleeping dog lie, unless they can prove a conspiracy that involved a number of officials.

    I'd be very interested to know how many techs and ejections Donaghy meted out last season.
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    Trust me this story is far from over and more people are involved.

    When you think about it perhaps Stern is guilty as well. His mandate that no one can question an official allowed this problem to occur. No other professional sport league allows their refs to make mistakes and they not be addressed by the league. When an NFL or MLB official makes a mistake an appologie is issued by the league and that official is suspended for a couple games if the mistake was critical to the outcome of a game. It doesn't go down like that in the NBA. The refs are always right because Stern said so.


    I think Stern should step down. He has offically ruined the NBA.
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    I have to tell you I am not surprised in the least by this. Saddened ,yes. Surprised, no. In truth, I have believed for a long time that the problem goes on in all sports. I am only surprised it took this long to discover.

    The refs don't make that much money. Yet daily they are exposed to millionaires many of whom are spoiled and treat them like crap. I don't doubt many are bitter against the sports that employ them.

    They probably are approached by several people throughout their careers who tempt them to secure their future by fixing a game here and there. It's just too easy.

    Pandora's box has been cracked open. We may not like what we find in there.

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    I agree that Stern should step down. By many accounts, he has done an excellent job of promoting the game. He has made a lot of people rich, including the players. But, in that time, he has amassed a lot of power. Too much power. He can change the game without anyone's permission, which I think you're alluding to. This recent gambling thing is really, in a weird way, just what was needed if you hate Stern: It knocks him down a few notches from his perch. Time for him to leave. I don't think he will, though, as he will subscribe to a strategy of damage control in classic Clintonian fashion. If you resign amid a scandal, that's what people will remember you for (see Richard Nixon), but if you apply damage control, you might just be able to mantain your legacy. Stern's a slick talker; he'll do fine.

    I hate that this official has harmed the integrity of the game. But how much integrity did the game really have to begin with? Superstar calls, tech calls if you look the wrong way at a ref, speeding up the game to make it more fan friendly, etc. The game has gone downhill fast in recent years and this is more fuel added to the fire.
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    Right now the Hboasia channel is playing "Two For The Money" what a co-incident.
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    Thats pretty much it. Plus old beefs and grudges the refs have with players effects the calls. Every game is called differently - refs dictate what they will and will not call seemingly at random.

    A lot of reporters refer to conspiracy theorists in their articles as if anyone who questioned the refs before was paranoid and unstable. Anyone with half a brain can see that the calls vary with the circumstances and who it is being called against.

    This could work out to be one of the best things that could have happened if it results in better and more fair calls for everyone.
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    I, for one, hope this revelation will be the catalyst to finally institute a replay system similar to the NFL.

    IMO Donaghy is just the tip of the iceberg as far as corrupt officiating. His alleged personal gambling issues and mob ties are probably why he is currently the only one under direct accusation right now. To think that he is the only NBA official guilty of fraudulent acts is foolish under the free-reign Stern has given them. The 'one bad apple' claim that Stern is already pushing makes it sound like he won't even entertain the very possible notion that there are others out there...it wreaks of cover-up to me even more so than just plain damage control.
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    Interesting...check out the player & Flip comments after the Mar 06 Knicks game Donaghy officiated:




    Also...Sheed was ejected that game while on the bench for trash-talking Steve Franchise


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    Anything that forces them to clean up the calls is good news to me.

    Donaghy may have been the only one on the take but all fans at some point have had to watch their teams lose due to Superstar calls and other officiating bias. Thats why so many are grabbing onto this. Finally something concrete to throw back at Stern.
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    Put me in the "tip of the iceburg" club. Looks like there's a whole lottsa rats scurrying around looking for hiding places right about now. Stern included!

    This was the Commish who was more concerned about casual apparel worn by inactive players than with the integrity of the game. How do you explain that?
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    specific tidbits according to ESPN:

    Sheed might have a big grin on his face today:
    I didn't know the money part of that suspension...the number doesn't sound anywhere close to being right.

    ESPN - FBI probes allegations that NBA ref bet on games - NBA
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    It's pretty interesting that if you look up Donaghy at covers.com (I think that is the site), he has one of the lowest home team win margin.

    I didn't have time to check all of the refs, and am no expert at sports gambling, but I do know that road teams are usually dogs...

    and many of the other refs had home teams winning by more than 2.5 points with plenty over 3. Donaghy was under 2.

    You gotta remember that dissecting this means breaking down tape, because refs are a 3 man crew, and as I heard on the radio today (and am inclined to believe) there is no such thing as only one cockroach.

    This is going to be very interesting as to how it plays out.
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    From detteams url reference they cited an expert from Marc Cubans Blog which I agree with. Cuban is right. This is a good opportunity to make the game much better. Stern can no longer laugh off the coaches/players and fans complaints about the quality of refering in the NBA.

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    My experience in life is that is correct

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    Cuban has been calling for transparency for years, and this last offseason, the old guard ownership backed David Stern to silence him.

    You gotta respect Mark for taking the high road when he could tear up the league. But then, he didn't make $3 billion by destroying his own assets.

    Cuban for commish.
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    Very True. Same for us fans as well. I don't want to see TV contracts cancelled, half full arenas or even the season suspended. But things need to change. This perception of fixing games has been around for at least 20 years and they need to finally start paying attention to it.

    This could be a very positive thing. Imagine no more Superstar calls, players getting techs over nothing and such.
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    x2 scoe.
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    As a rather curious sidebar:

    There's only about 60 referees in the NBA...what are the odds that four guys from the same high school end up officiating during the same seasons? I think the odds of hitting a Powerball or Mega Millions jackpot are probably far better.

    ESPN.com - Blogs - Chris Sheridan Blog
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    There are only about 95,000 people living in Compton CA, what are the odds that 3 of those people would play for the Pistons at the same time?

    Tay, Afflalo and Acker?. AJ is from just down the road, not very far from the three of them.

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