Rotations, part... Joe D: Jennings isn't guaranteed a starter job

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  1. BallDon'tLie

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    Yeah, but who would play PG?
     
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    Was that a serious post or a I am taking over this thread kind of post.

    May need to hire an international private detective to even find Meija.
     
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    In all seriousness, you would have to include Stuckey in this, as he basically was the same size as JMAX, who we often played at center last year.

    So, Siva at point, since he seems to have the knack of getting the ball to wherever it is needed on offense,

    Jennings at shooting guard, since he has some outside shooting talent. Does not hurt to have a great 2nd ball handler either.

    Billups at small forward. He has the size and strength to play there, plus since he has slowed down it just might make sense to have him guard someone slower than a guard.

    Mejia at power forward. Too small really, but tough as nails.

    And Stuckey as the center.

    So, thats Siva, Jennings, Billups, Mejia, Stuckey.
     
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    Good idea. Then you can use Bynum as the PG for the 2nd unit.
     
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    Good idea, but I was rather thinking of keeping a good continuous flow to our offense by always keeping either Jenning or Siva in to run the point. Hmm, Pope at shooting guard, Smith, Monroe, and Drummond for the front line.

    Actually, to be politically correct, we have to actually start Jennings, Pope, Smith, Monroe, Drummond.

    And then bring in Siva as the backup point guard, moving Jennings to shooting guard. Much more acceptable.
     
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    To be politically correct we have to actually start someone who has avg over 10 PPG at some point in their pro career.
     
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    A rotation.

    Start: Jennings, Datome, Smith, Monroe, Drummond.

    Why Datome, and not Pope? Simply to get another player into the rotation. If Datome has a bit of a problem with foot speed, might as well play him with 4 guys who can cover for that. Now, Datome, if anything, is suppose to be able to shoot threes, and this should help spread the floor for our front line.

    2nd unit: Billups, Pope, JJ, Mitchell, Harrellson.

    In all, a ten man rotation. Two complete units, so you can keep the starters together longer. And again, the drawback is that it locks Smith in at small forward most of the time - if its actually a drawback. And again, Smith just might end up liking being at small forward and having a size advantage the whole time in the game. Smith could supplant a guy like Mitchell's minutes I suppose to get minutes at power forward, but hey, do you really want to take minutes away from an energy guy like Mitchell? Replacing Hallellson? Leaves no center in the game. Another option, sit either Monroe or Drummond early to let Smith play some power forward. But then you are splitting up the Monroe / Drummond duo everyone was screaming for last season. Will the above 2nd unit work? Lot of "ifs". If Billups is healthy and productive, if Pope can make the step up to the bigs well, if JJ can find a way to have an overall positive effect in the game. (His offense and rebounding not being too heavily negated by points given up too easily to the opposing small forward.) If Mitchell is really as good as his showing in the summer league indicated. And if Harrellson can really play in the NBA. Lots of ifs. But yet, lots of hope to.

    At its best, that 2nd unit just might rock. If Billups is still that good, if Pope is what we hope he is. (Pope hope.) If JJ can show some real improvement, over a full season from his injury. If Mitchell can shut people down at one end, and sky for dunks at the other. And if Harrellson really can nail threes in the NBA, and manage to defend the center position.
     
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    A rotation. Based on the theory that neither Datome nor Harrellson can play NBA D well enough. Now, with already Bynum, JJ, Singler, and CV in that category, it leaves the following players for the rotation:

    Jennings, Billups, Siva, Stuckey, Pope, Smith, Mitchell, Monroe, Drummond

    What's wrong with this picture? Five guards. Really, we could get by with just 3 guards and a spare combo guard for emergencies. We have enough guards. But the front line? Pope probably could play small forward. He rebounds well enough to play there, and is just tall enough at 6-6. Ok, so lets put him at small forward to back up Smith.

    Start: Jennings, Billups, Smith, Monroe, Drummond

    Bench: Siva, Pope, Stuckey, (note, Stuckey and Pope switch roles defense vs. offense. Stuckey plays small forward offensively but shooting guard defensively. While Pope is the shooting guard on offense, and guards the small forward on defense.), Mitchell, (Drummond or Monroe playing center for the 2nd unit.)

    Now, lets see how this could work as far a substitution pattern. A couple of goals. One, play Smith at least 14 minutes at power forward (leaving 24 minutes for Smith at small forward), and keep Monroe and Drummond paired up for at least 26 minutes per game.

    First substitution is Mitchell for Smith 6 minutes into the game. This is done in both the 1st and 3rd quarters, leaving Monroe and Drummond paired up for 24 minutes. The unit is Jennings, Billups, Mitchell, Monroe, Drummond.

    To start the 2nd quarter (and 4th) Drummond sits, Monroe stays on as the center. The unit is Siva, Pope, Stuckey, Smith, Monroe.

    Four minutes into the 2nd quarter (and later the 4th) Drummond comes back in. The unit is Siva, Pope, Stuckey, Smith, Drummond.

    Last four minutes of 2nd (and 4th). Drummond sits for the first two minutes of this. The unit is Jennings, Billups, Smith, Mitchell, Monroe.

    The last two minutes of the 2nd, (and the 4th), Drummond is back in, and its back to the starters, Jennings, Billups, Smith, Monroe, Drummond.

    For minutes) Jennings 32, Siva 16, Billups, 32 (all as shooting guard), Stuckey 16, Smith 36 (20 at small forward, 16 at power forward), Pope 16, Mitchell 16 (12 at small forward, 4 at power forward), Monroe 40, Drummond 36

    Goals: Yes, Smith played 16 minutes at power forward. Yes, Drummond and Monroe are paired for 28 minutes.

    Problem though: Drummond and Monroe are playing a bit too much. So play Mitchell just a bit more. Pretty close to good enough.
     
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    A rotation. Could start the season with something like this.

    Starters:

    Jennings, Pope, Smith, Monroe, Drummond

    If nothing else, we could just basically play this group 40 minutes and get one heck of a lot of wins out of them.

    2nd unit: Stuckey, Billups, Datome, Mitchell, Harrellson.

    Here, Stuckey is played to his strength, having the ball in his hands. Billups acts as a spot up shooter. In addition, Billups comes in for Jennings often as the first sub, to get him some point guard minutes with the starters before moving to shooting guard when Stuckey comes in.

    Datome is the 2nd sub, subbing for Pope as the shooting guard. The 3rd sub in is Mitchell, sitting Drummond and moving Smith to power forward. The 4th sub in is Harrellson. Finally, Stuckey comes in, moving Billups to shooting guard, Datome to small forward, Mitchell to power forward, as Smith sits.

    If Stuckey is not getting to the foul line, Jennings comes back in real fast. Harrelson is often the first sub that sits back down. Datome sits next, unless he is really hot on the outside shot. Most games, Billups and Mitchell should be the two subs who play the most.

    Many nights, it will look like basically a seven man rotation, with Stuckey, Datome, and Harrellson getting short minutes.
     
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    That's not a bad one, Lee.
     
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    Siva, Pope, Luigi, Mitchell, Harrelson
     
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    Because its the most realistic?
     
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    That's not a bad one, Max.
     
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    Any lineup with T-Mitch is worth watching.
    Jorts kinda ruins this one for me though.
     
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    I watched Jorts play a few games. If you like hustle and effort, you will enjoy watching him.
    If you like players who are effective, he will probably be a letdown.
    If you love lateral quickness, you will pull your hair out.
     
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    He's no Trent Plaisted, that's for sure.
     
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