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  1. Lee356

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    Just got two words for you: John Hammonds
     
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    Just look at the tactics Joe's hand picked goons have to resort to to try and stop Amir!!!

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    To put such a picture up
    To put such a picture up, with a legit power forward like Amir, with a 58.8% win percentate at power forward, and JJ, a guy who has a paultry 35% win percentage at power forward, jsut shows how bad a GM Dumars is. He let Amir go for nothing, but keeps JJ around? (Note, both players played for bad teams. The difference in win percentage comes from Amir actually being an NBA center, whereas JJ is nothing more than a joke at the position.)
     
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    Looks like JD signed Lenny and Squiggy....................
     
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    So John Hammonds won the title and assembled that team, but wasn't responsible for the coaches or how any of the players were handled.

    I can see that. Look at how many titles he has won in Milwaukee since moving there.
     
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    In fairness to Amir he's had a tremendous NBA career coming from where he did. He looks like he's put a lot of work into his game/body.

    It's too bad the Pistons could never let him be the guy he is now instead of saying that he was either 6'11 or a SF because they could have used him over the long seasons his teams were playing.
     
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    Amir was sure a step up from the guy we kept, JMAX. I liked JMAX for his ability to play defense in a lot of situations. But as an NBA starting power forward he was way overmatched in height to be effective.
     
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    I'm actually not impressed at all by Amir's stats. I mean, only an average of just above 6 RPG when he played next to Andrea Bargnani for 4 years. Bargnani never takes rebounds unless the ball bounces into his hands by accident.
     
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    Amir is a good player on a bad team. A poor man's Mitch Richmond.
     
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    Careful when citing stats. Yes, Amir is starting of late. But he came off the bench a lot over those four years you mention. Yes, sometimes citing per 48 minute stats is safer.
     
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    Got around to looking up those stats. Per 48 minutes, Amir, in the last 4 years, this last season listed first and then going backwards: 12.5 rebounds, 12.6 rebounds, 12.0 rebounds, 13.0 rebounds. Not bad for a power forward.

    For contrast, lets look at Drummond. It lists his rebound for last season at 7.6. Not greatly impressive. But per 48 minutes of playing time, Drummond hauled down 17.6.

    Monroe, 13.9 rebounds per 48 minutes last season.

    CV, 10.6

    JMAX, 11

    JJ, 10
     
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    Amir averages 7.333 fouls per 48 minutes.
     
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    LOL

    Amir's 48 minute stats need to be capped around 39 minutes.
     
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    Yeah, and if Drummond played with Bargnani he would probably haul down 25.
     
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    We have Andre Drummond, and we're talking about Amir Johnson and Brian Cardinal.
     
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    Same GM.
     
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    I like the idea of looking at a player's 48 minute stats. I think that it really lets you look at the true, best case scenario for any player, and it let's you factor out things like clueless coaches and incompetent GMs.

    I decided to take a look at Will Bynum's per 48 minute stats, but I also decided to go just a bit farther. When looking at an individual's stats, it's easy to let a few good games make you think that a player is better than he really is. Conversely, a few rough patches, and you might not realize how brilliant a young talent truly is.

    By looking at some of my favorite games, over the past several years, and taking my favorite 15 (I think 15 games is an excellent sample size), removing a few good/bad quarters, and averaging those numbers to 48 minutes, I think you get a much better picture of a few of our former players.

    By using the method, Amir Johnson has per 48 minute stats of 25 points and 50 rebounds per game! Gee, think we could use someone who can pull down an extra 50 rebounds per game? Not to mention those 25 points, which are really just a bonus.

    Looking at some of Will Bynum's typical games and pushing those quarters out to 48 minutes, you get a guy who avearges 1.3 assists, 2 rebounds, and 8 turnovers per game. No wonder the Pistons have looked so bad over the last couple of years! But, Joe is incredibly stubborn, and refuses to give up on his favorites, even when they cost the Pistons games and take time away from more valuable players like Austin Daye.

    How valuable is Austin Daye?

    Let's see. If we look at his game against Orlando last December, where the coach only played Daye 5 minutes, he still managed to score 5 points. Extend that out to 48 minutes, an Austin scores 48 points. We don't have anyone on the roster any more than can score 48 points per game.
     
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    Verrrry interesting.

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    Classic!
     

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