Rotations - Part Trois

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  1. Lee356

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    We get Rip back, and Austin Daye. Ben Wallace comes out of retirement. Prince retires and becomes an assistant for us. And Billups, surprisingly, has some extra spring in his step just from sitting a couple of years.

    So, we start Billups, Rip, Daye, Smith, Drummond. Oh, yeah, Daye finds his shot again, from like that time where he knocked down around 10 threes in one game. Rip is back to coming off screens all night and knocking down his shots. They stop that, and Billups hits Smith or Drummond for a dunk, or Daye for the three, or just knocks down a three himself.

    2nd unit: Stuckey, Pope, Middleton, Mitchell, Monroe.

    Our extended bench is Ben Wallace, Brandon Knight, Gigi Datomi, Kravtsov, and Tony Mitchell (the other Tony Mitchell, the 6-6 guy from Oklahoma.)
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    Tell KCP that he is going into training camp as the starting SG.
    Hand him the red practice jersey and let him run with the starters.
    Let him know that you believe in him and drafted him to be a starter, not a bench scrub.
    Unless a trade happens or another FA SG falls in Joe's lap, it should be Pope's job to lose.

    If the #8 pick isn't a better option than freaking Rodney Stuckey, you shouldn't have drafted him!
    Stuckey and Chuckey shouldn't even dress for games.
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    2013/14 SG depth chart:
    1. The Pontiff
    2. Khris Singleton
    3. Bup Bup
    4. Pizza Guy
    5. Bk-7
    6. Kyle Singler
    7. Will Bynum
    8. Kenny English on a 10-day
    9. Nobody (...play 4 on 5)
    10. Rodney Stuckey
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    I think Sticky is a bit too high. It's close though.
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    pass99 All-Star Forum Donor

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    Close.
    As has been stated before (with the original starters switching around with others).

    Knight (Bynum, Billups switch)
    Stuckey (Pope, Billups switch)
    Smith (Singler, Datome, Middleton, JJ)
    Monroe (Mitchell switch, CV)
    Drummond (Kravstov, Mitchell switch,)
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    Vernon Macklin should get more PT than Charlie this season.
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  7. Lee356

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    About 10 to 1 at least.
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    Assuming no trades, no releases, and Siva goes to Europe, well, here goes)

    Just play the following 9 players in the rotation. Knight, Stuckey, Pope, Middleton, Smith, Monroe, Drummond, Mitchell, Kravtsov

    I am leaving out Datome until I see he can defend the small forward position. I see Singler, JJ, CV, and Bynum as definite defensive liabilities, so why play them if you don't need to? Billups is a question mark. Until I see him play, I will assume he is still injured and somewhat of a defensive liability.

    Start: Knight, Pope, Middleton, Smith, Monroe. This unit has 3 guys who can shoot the ball with range, who can also defend, in the back court and small forward positions. Smith is playing his best position, and you have a solid post up player, one of the best in the league at the moment, in Monroe, starting at center.

    Second unit: Stuckey, Middleton moves to shooting guard, Smith to small forward. Mitchell and Drummond come in, giving you Stuckey, Middleton, Smith, Mitchell, Drummond. This unit is out there from about the 8 minute mark of the 1st quarter until 4 minutes into the 2nd quarter. Time for Smith and Middleton to get rests.

    Knight comes back in for the last 8 minutes of the 2nd. Stuckey might be left out there though if he is being particularly effective at getting to the hoop and causing various types of trouble like getting assists to Middleton for triples, throwing up bricks that are getting readily rebounded and put back in by the likes of Mitchell, Smith, and Drummond, or just dumping off to one of these guys directly for dunks, or hey, just hitting a pullup jumper or getting all the way to the hoop for and and 1. Pope comes back for sure at this time. Drummond stays out there giving us the pairing of Monroe and Drummond that we all like so much. Mitchell is the small forward. This unit is Knight, Pope, Mitchell, Monroe, Drummond. If Drummond plays the whole 4th, that would put him at 16 minutes for the first half, projecting out to 32 for the game, which might be too much for him. So Kravtsov probably plays five minutes or so here, his only minutes of the game. Kravtsov plays longer in games where there is foul trouble among our bigs.

    To end games, Smith is always in. Monroe is situational. If we are ahead, we finish with a front line Mitchell, Smith, and Drummond. If we need points, Monroe is in to score them, along with Smith for sure and probably Drummond for put backs. Then, hey, there is always the starting unit. If Knight, Pope, and Middleton are all knocking down shots readily from the outside, freeing our post players to score fairly easily inside, this just might be the unit we finish with.

    For approximate average minutes, Smith 36. Drummond around 28, Monroe 33, Knight 30, Stuckey 18, Kravtsov 7, Pope 32, Middleton 32, Mitchell 30
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    Siva seems more useful to me than Kravtsov, but he's probably better off developing overseas than sitting the bench.
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    Ok, so someone says Siva would be more valuable than Kravstov on this roster. Could be. But if that is the case, why do we have currently four point guards signed? We have Bynum, Billups, Stuckey, and Knight. In addition, we have Pope, Middleton, Smith, JJ, Singler, and Datome who can also play shooting guard or small forward. So thats 10 guys on the roster for positions 1,2, 3. Adding Siva to the mix, it goes to 11. How about center and power forward? Some would count JJ here, but hey, he can't rebound nor defend the power forward position, not in the slightest. Plus we have CV, who is about just as worthless. What do we have left for power forward / centers? Slava, Smith, Monroe, Drummond, Mitchell. Of these, just two can play center besides Kravtsov, Drummond and Monroe. Is having just two centers enough to avoid foul difficulties? Probably not. I am not saying Kravtsov is really the right guy for our emergency center, but hey, I do believe we should have one on our roster for sure.

    As for Siva. First, if healthy, I believe Billups will be running the point for us some. He will be in with another guard who can guard the point, leaving Billups to guard the shooting guard. In addition, the numbers show that both Knight and Stuckey are good with the ball in their hands as the point guard. If a coach makes the simple decision to only play these two as point guard, we will be overcrowded as is at point. Yes, a coach could make horrible decisions, like play Bynum a lot, and have Knight and Stuckey take turns being useless out there pretending to be shooting guards. You may think, wait, new coach, surely something will improve. Will it though. We still have the same GM, and therefore, may still have the very same problems of having a GM dictating to some extent who plays. With the usual disastrous results. After all, Dumars absolutely did resign Bynum, not our new coach. So Dumars actually thinks there is a place on the team for Bynum this year, while planning to send Siva over to Europe. Ok, so I am not staying on the same thread of thought too well. Lets just say, if our GM would have left good enough alone, and not signed Bynum back, Siva would be on the squad maybe. But hey, its then English vs. Siva. English is a year ahead in NBA experience, is a better defender as a guard, and actually can shoot quite well despite his poor performance in the summer league. Yes, English is not a point, but he helps handle the ball when he is in. Still drifting from the point of this paragraph. Which is, if we use Stuckey, Billups, and Knight right, we should have all the defense and offense we need from the point guard position. We should not need Siva. Even if Billups can't play a lick, you could rotate Knight and Stuckey 24 minutes each at point and be just fine. Foul proof, plenty enough D, and O that Siva does not provide much of. On the other hand, as the roster stands, if we are smart and never play the likes of CV nor JJ as a big, Kravstov gives us needed depth in the 4/5 slots.
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    The summer league Pistons showed some sly occurrences, from the biggest to smallest. Kravtsov look good, much more confident and a brute force. He was active, played within himself and show more offensive maneuvers. We have a brutal front line. Now, to the smallest. Siva was the most mature PG, as far as having the ability to direct a team, them anyone in the summer league. Except of course, my favorite (Buycks)...apparently Toronto saw the same thing. Of course Buycks, has a few years of professionalism underneath his belt. It was only the preaching in Siva's thirsty ear that many were able to see a change of course to his offensive side (completely the opposite from Buycks position). He did not disappoint. He can pull up, he can finish and absolutely no one could control him getting any space he wanted. All this while he was under control. That latter is a very important point. But then, it should be, since his job at Kentucky was to make everyone participate and look better. But JD did the necessary panic level (yea, he should, because his job is on the line) and the old standbys are now on board (Bynum and Billups). Unfortunately, we have the larger myth of Billups gaining stature, whereas (he actually said that he will be a starter) the locals want that thicker body to move like it was nearly a decade ago...they say in unison, he should start! Unbelievable.
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    Siva can play at the Europe - Dumars do not have to renounce his rights; next year there will be some open spots. ( most probably due to well known trade Pistons gives to Charlotte first round pick - at best late first round) Everything is under JD control - on the paper....PO is a must or JD loses his job.
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    PG: Knight (32)/Billups (16)
    SG: Stuckey (24)/KCP (24)
    SF: Smith (14)/Gigi -or- Singler(34)
    PF: Monroe (15)/Smith (20)/Mitchell (13)
    C: Drummond (30)/Monroe (18)
    This is the mpg distribution I'm picturing for the first 10-15 games of the season. But someone will get injured, traded or underperform.......opening the door for Bynum, JJ and CV
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    I would be surprised if Andre can play 30 mpg yet. Maybe mid season.
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    Yeah I think maybe Smith gets 5-6 minutes at C with CV at the 4. No joke.
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