Rotations - Part Trois

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  1. max

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    We are not getting Ben back but I do agree that its not written anywhere in stone that Monroe has to start.

    It actually starts making more sense and things become clearer when we give up this notion that Moose has to start. Let's face it - Drummond is going to be a better player than him this year and he is more suited as a Center. We also do not have to force Smith into an SF and play him at his natural position PF. Then the one guy who can best play both the 4 and 5 can come off the bench to do so and still log in a ton of mins - Monroe.
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    Not saying its a bad idea basketball-wise, but I think that would be the death-knell to Monroe in a Pistons uni when his deal is up.
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    Agreed. He's a proud guy and believes that he should be on Team USA (appropriately so). Coming off the bench for a team that failed to make the playoffs last year probably doesn't jive with his self image.

    This is one of those things that we just have to accept- starting means something to 95% of all NBA players, whether they get the minutes or not. Ginobili/ Popovich types are rare.
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    My take on a guy who likes to start more than likes to win. We don't need that kind of player round here. And no, not for a moment would I think Monroe would not accept coming off the bench - with still starters minutes before the game is done. If it meant us winning games.
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    Just thinking out loud here. The above gives us the following two units)

    Knight, KCP, Smith, Monroe, Drummond.

    This unit, a whole lot of people think should start, for many reasons. One, it gives us a rebounding front line that is awesome. Two, Knight, as the point, with the ball in his hands, can shoot well on the three. Pope gives you a second good outside shooter. Smith definitely can hit short jumpers. Should be enough spreading the floor in all. And thirdly, no slouches among our front line as far as handling the ball. They should work great together in setting each other up for dunks. Next, KCP, from what I saw in the three summer league games I watched, loves to drive the ball in - and with 3 rebounders cleaning up the misses (and KCP can rebound too), his drives should be tremendously effective.

    The 2nd unit: Stuckey, Billups, Datome (assuming Datome here, or why else get the guy), Mitchell, Monroe (assuming Drummond is winded early, so it will be Monroe staying on to start the 2nd and 4th quarters.)

    I listed this defensively, that is with Billups running the point, but guarding the shooting guard. (or even the small forward). Stuckey would be guarding the point, and running as the point on offense on many sets, using Billups as the off guard since Billups can nail that 3. Yes, Billups would set up a lot of plays, which means Stuckey would only need to be prepared to run a fairly small amount of plays in any one game. The plays Stuckey runs would obviously be him crashing to the basket, and hopefull dishing off to Mitchell or Monroe for a dunk, or finding one of Datome or Billups for the trey. (Or of course pull up and nail the shot, or get to the basket himself and hopefully get to the line for an and 1.)

    In this setup, only Monroe is a hold over from the 1st unit onto the 2nd. And obviously, when Monroe does need to sit, Drummond comes right back in for him, briefly giving us this unit:

    Stuckey, Billups, Datome, Mitchell, Drummond. Stuckey is even more likely to run the play here, as Drummond is even more likely to clean up any of Stuckey's misses vs. Monroe, and much more likely to get a slam off a Stuckey pass.

    Then the starters all come in, well rested. And you could give Kravtsow a few minutes to keep from wiping Drummond out in the first half of play.
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    Just makes bringing in Melo that much easier :)
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    Stuckey, Billups, Datome, Mitchell, Monroe. For the 2nd unit.

    Not exactly a stellar defensive unit. Stuckey will be getting lost on picks. Datome and Billups probably will be letting guys get by them too quickly. Monroe is not much help closing in on guys who have gotten past their defender. So we hope Mitchell is all that, to be able to clean up the "blow bys" coming in incessantly from the perimeter.

    Instead, for a 2nd unit, don't use Billups or Datome:

    Stuckey, Middleton, Smith staying at small forward, Mitchell, Monroe. Now you got both Mitchell and Smith in to defend the basket against those who manage to get toward the hoop. And with Middelton in instead of Billups, and with Smith instead of Datome, hey, there will be a lot less of that in the first place. As for Stuckey now getting lost on picks? We switch. We got guys like Middleton, Smith, and Mitchell who can do reasonable jobs on switches to cover Stuckey for losing his guy.

    You do lose some outside shooting here, with Smith in vs. Datome. But hey, I say a 2nd unit ought to play defense first anyway. Plus, hey, with Smith being an outstanding offensive player, you certainly don't lose offense in the exchange, just some of the floor spreading concept.

    And you need another guy to come in when Smith is out. Easy, Mitchell. Toward the end of the2nd quarter, you have:

    Knight, KCP, Mitchell, Monroe, Drummond.
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    Likewise for Drummond if he does not start starting soon. Four years is a long time to wait. Monroe is probably the most expendable out of the 3 - if you have to choose to make someone unhappy. Or we can make everyone unhappy playing Smith out of position.
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    The following might be a repeat, or close, of an earlier rotation I posted. But oh, so what, here goes.

    Start Knight, Billups, Smith, Mitchell, Drummond.

    Here, Billups operates strictly as a shooting guard. To let Billups run the point some, sub Knight out early.

    Billups, KCP, Smith, Mitchell, Monroe. To end the 1st quarter.

    To start the 2nd: Stuckey in for a moment. A very limited role, since Knight will be coming back in shortly.

    Stuckey, KCP, Middleton, Smith, Monroe.

    Shortly into 2nd quarter:

    Knight, KCP, Middleton, Mitchell, Monroe

    To end the 2nd:

    Knight, Billups, Smith, Monroe, Drummond.

    Examining each unit: Starters. Knight, Billups, Smith, Mitchell, Drummond. Two long range shooters, and a very solid rebounding and scoring front line. On defense, Billups lacks speed, but very solid defense otherwise on this unit should be able to hide him.

    Billups, KCP, Smith, Mitchell, Monroe. Two good outside shooters. Two terrific defenders up front, one so so defender up front. But two should be enough, you have two very good post up players in Monroe and Smith. Still hiding Billups on defense. A bit less effectively with Monroe though. Monroe will have to make that up with some easy hoops off post ups.

    Stuckey, KCP, Middleton, Smith, Monroe.

    Two outside shooters. Some decent defenders. Monroe does not have too many guys to cut off as Billups is not in the game now. And you got Stuckey hopefully driving it in effectively and drawing some fouls.

    Knight, KCP, Middleton, Mitchell, Monroe. Up to three outside shooters. Still some decent defenders up front. Still no Billups, Monroe again should not have to be called on too much to clean up guys who are heading toward the basket.

    Knight, Billups, Smith, Monroe, Drummond. Two outside shooters. Two fine defenders up front. Two fine post up players. Pretty darn balanced unit. Plenty of defense otherwise to hide Billups. Just could be our best unit of the bunch.
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    Lee, you want Monroe to play 20 min/game?
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    Like he said he'll still get starters minutes coming off the bench.


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    Starters: Siva, Pope, Middleton, Datome, Drummond.
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    Huh?
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    he meant the second quarter.
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    More like 33. You must have skimmed over that rotation - Monroe comes in early in the 1st quarter and mostly stays in the rest of the first half, and that repeats in the 2nd half.
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    Hmm, someone posted a starting unit of Siva, Pope, Middleton, Datome, Drummond.

    Could work actually. Siva can't shoot, so hey, you put 3 guys in who can with him. Datome is probably not much of a defensive power forward, but it hides his slow foot speed, and Drummond is there to help him out - plus, since you got decent defenders on the perimeter, Datome should not be called on too much to stop guys from scoring at the hoop after getting past their defender. The main play, Siva drives, drops it off to Drummond for a dunk. Or kicks it out to one of the three decent outside shooters, Datome, Middleton, or Pope.

    Of course, you need a 2nd unit with this. Can we get a five man 2nd unit to make subbing real easy?

    Knight, Billups, Smith, Mitchell, Monroe.

    This leaves out Bynum, Stuckey, JJ, CV, Kravtsov, and Singler.

    And obviously, you could, since you got two whole compete units to work with, switch the second unit and starters around. Which ever way you start, the unit that turns out to be better is the one that should get the most minutes in the long run. I won't bet against the Siva - Drummond unit being the best of the two.

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