Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by armygirl, Jul 9, 2009.
Great trade. Do it Joe.
Let us not piddle around the margins. Rip is a Philly product.
Rip, plus Sharpe and a #1 for Brand.
Rip, plus Sharpe and a #1 for Stoudemire
Keep your alter ego Tay for secondary backup for a Center/PG
Finances are in the dump and heading deeper. Get you team together this year. Give K some breathing room to work with new personalities and some structure for the youth.
Do what it takes and get your business done this year. Sell transition, knowledge base associated with winners (organization and players) and and talented youth.
The organization (with the additions, yet to come) will be playoff bound.
The longer you wait the more complicated it becomes. Aggressiveness (just like the opening day FA signings), presented on a continuous basis, now will branch the links. Every transaction now opens and closes many lanes. Has anyone had thoughts on the repercussions on your quick move with the FA signings and how they may have added and subtracted many options to those others that were left reacting?
You have to know what you want...then move quickly.
Keeps the links hot and move with concentrated speed. You have trades, future picks and cash...use it.
Agreed. Straight up talent for talent, that would be a laughable exchange. Joe would be kicked out of the league.
My fear is that talent isn't the only deciding factor and that the almighty Expiring Contract and Cap Space are becoming more and more of a factor. You see more and more lopsided trades for the sake of clearing $$.
To most fans, we couldn't give a flying flip about Expiring Deals or Cap Space. We care about the product on the court. Unfortunately, GMs consider these other factors. That's what scares me about rumors like these.
This fits into my lose now, win later strategy. Ben Gordon and Charlie V. are wrapped up long-term, so they won't mind sacrificing a year. CV wouldn't even know what he was missing. Also, they can both get more playing time and take more shots than ever before in their NBA careers.
Q-ster can explore the rotational permutations possible with 6 small forwards.
And it will be nice having a backup for Kwame Brown... in case the unthinkable should happen and he goes through a slump of some kind.
I don't think people are seeing it.
The cap space is not because I am a fan of the Pistons organization making money. If they are successful, they will make money. Only the Clippers have played the game of being 2 bit misers to squeeze out a profit in the NBA.
The cap is shrinking. If the cap goes down near $50 million next year, almost no one will be able to compete in the 2003 draft class sweepstakes.
If Joe can get us a 20 MPG center who comes off the books next year (by limiting his minutes) then we could be a major player. 2 years in a row. In a league with a declining salary cap.
We're not going to win a title next year. But if we had to tank (not even, but whatever) a season to add Bosh or Melo to Villanueva, Gordon Prince and Stuckey, wouldn't you do it?
Or Joe can shoot off every bullet now, we can finish in the second round, and then next year be lucky to add one middling player to the mix?
Erick Dampier is the worst basketball player since I dunno. He makes Darko look like an All-Star. But this might be the most we can get from Rip in trade. The chance to grab a superstar or shop for 2 top tier players next year in FA.
I'm actually worried that Dallas would be the ones to refuse this deal.
Money is basically no object to Cuban. He's already sunk a lot into trying to win a title. I don't think he is going to let $10 or $20 million deter him.
I'm afraid that they are going to ask for one of our SF's too.
We may even let them choose which one. Just pretend that Daye is a PF.
The problem with Cuban (with his vision of accommodation as service) is that everything is now too easy and open.
Success, with extreme rewards, no longer presents boundaries.
Creative solutions live symbiotic relationships: that accept the problems of variables as challenging obstacles. They continually pound you into a good night's lack of sleep.
Those same obstacles are creative juices (on a good night's positive dream sleep), alter frameworks trying new approaches in the morning.
The brilliant Freud new all this. Compartments of conscious let loose the mixture of boundaries. Dreams on this level, has complicated connections.
This was a creative question faced by Philip K. Dick. His novel (Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?) was a statement of possibilities. The equally perceptive movie (Blade Runner) visually mixed these concerns.
Freud, meet Philip K. Dick: have a conversation about an odd character name Jack Dowland. A composer who new he that he was not up to talent of a Mozart, but understood the universal language of tears.
Nobody even said Dumars was entertaining this retarded offer.
This is just another dumb rumor.
It's actually is not even a rumor. It's from someone's blog.
I don't know what must happen to make this trade work,becouse Cuban isn't that simple-minded to think he can get a hero from zero.God I would love to be a journalist.
That´s the way to have one elite starter next year,not a veteran player with untradeable salary and declining basketball.
I´m full agree with roscoe,rip for dampier or other expiring contract.
Jou muts wait to see new pistons until trade date in february next year, to evaluate if we can deal Tay for a good player or we must keep him in our roster.
Dampier was 27% more productive than Kwame last year on a per minute basis. He's a better defender, scoring per minute is equal to Kwame though Dampier shoots a much higher percentage. Dampier is a better rebounder per minute.
Keeping him below the minutes threshold is a weird way to tie your coaches hands, but getting out from under Rip's contract with some money to spend after next season isn't a bad notion.
Damp is roughly 3pts and 1/2 a rebound away from being Tyson Chandler with an expiring contract.
What's the big deal?
I'm with [STRIKE]TheMicrowave[/STRIKE] Roscoe on this one.
Wow, way to put this trade in a good light man!
If we are going to get a mediocre player for 1 year, another center would be the best choice. Kwame isn't a terrible player and Damp is probably a little better. At least they are both big and not afraid to use their fouls.
If the cap is going down to the levels reported isn't trading for an expiring contract this season risky because you may not be getting close to the amount of the contract once the amount is set?
You could end up trading Rip for a few million in cap space and not 12 million.
If the cap goes lower, your decreasing amount of space becomes even more premium because almost no one will be under the cap.
If the cap is higher, you have even more room in FA.
No matter what, going into next offseason with a smaller payroll is a win-win. Rip's contract is terrible.
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