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  1. anakin

    anakin First Round Draft Pick

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    A missed 2nd overall pick is a mistake, that is the point. Whether that mistake has an impact on the Pistons winning more ships is a different story. I bet most Pistons fans, including you, would give their left nut to have Wade, Bosh or the like coming off the bench or maybe even starting in this current run. Why make things more difficult?
     
  2. TaS

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    A lot of owners would give their impotent johnson to get a GM like Joe D, so it all evens out.
     
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    He didn't want to mess with aging Uncle Cliffy whom he traded anyway? C'mon, that's BS- there's no excuse on how this chance to become a dynasty was wasted.
     
  4. anakin

    anakin First Round Draft Pick

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    While Joe is the envy of the league I don't understand the homerism in not calling the Darko pick a HUGE mistake and trying to defend Joe on that one angle. It is so hard to win the big one and that pick IMO would have gone a long way in making this a great team instead of a very good one.
     
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    The whole league was biting on those reports come from Europe. A number 1 through 7 draft pick has to play. Or else you risk paying for something you haven't used or be forced to gamble on him during his contract extension year. That can be devastating to your cap. Also you could alienate or disillusion the player to the point he won't resign with you and then his best years are played elsewhere. I wish would have left Darko in Serbia for four years and figured a way to keep Memo happy.
     
  6. TaS

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    I agree that it was a mistake... or at least a gamble that didn't pay off. But I don't agree that you should expect your GM to bat 1.000. How many bad moves has Zeke made over in NY? You can't even count them all. Joe plays chess to most other GM's checkers.

    Joe did what he thought was best and it didn't work out. Maybe he has gained experience from this and will be more likely to make a good pick in the future.

    If you go to the casino and put $10 on black and it doesn't pay off, was it a mistake?

    In this case, Joe put $20M on white.
     
  7. anakin

    anakin First Round Draft Pick

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    Tay, I am a big fan of Joe though my posts may not come across that way. I am also PO'ed that he and Mr. Davidson did nothing to really improve the bench when other teams were trying to get to get better with changes. It appears that saving $$ was the important criteria. A championship team needs to be at least 8-9 deep. The last 6 games the starters can't buy a shot and Flip doesn't trust his existing bench players. Sure would have been nice to have a few dependable vets. I have been screaming about the bench the whole season. Their lack of playing time seems to be haunting this team.

    LB always had a bench rotation. The guys knew they would be used and how they would be used. Flip never put a consistent bench rotation in from the get go. It's no wonder they look out of sync on court. The lack of scoring puts a huge strain on the defense. The Pistons good as they are can't be expected to hold teams to 75 pts the entire playoffs.
     
  8. TaS

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    Personally, I thought that a bench of Darko, Arroyo, Lindsay, McDyess, and Evans/Delfino was pretty solid. A little D and a little O.

    But yes, money is an object. Old habits die hard.

    Even with a beleaguered bench, we are still capable of winning it all. If we do, then we have accomplished the top 3 goals an organization can have... 1) make money, 2) win the championship, and 3) have cap space for future opportunities for #1 and #2.

    2 out of the 3 are already assured. If you are Joe's boss, you have to be pleased.
     
  9. TheeTFD

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    2Times what are you talking about? Uncle Cliffy was used goods. And when he couldn't dominate in the playoffs, he got traded. As with Nasty. [Which is what I think needs to happen to BBen if he can't contribute to the O flow.]
    Sacrilege!
    And the coaches are to blame as well. They could have forced the issue, but backed down. BBen wasn't giving up minutes in a contract year.
    TaS, "$20mil. on white" nice.
     
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    How do we know the Darko pick was a big mistake?
    Have we seen the Orlando pick play yet?
    Or what they might get for this pick?
    It's gonna take at least 3 years to make the final conclusion.

    Sheed didn't cost us much and this effected Dako's PT... Joe didn't know the Sheed deal would fall in his lap at the time of drafting DMC...
    He had every intention of developing the kid... til he discovered that this team was ready to make a run at the ship.... why do we always have to play the blame game?
     
  11. anakin

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    Merc, Darko has not shown anything yet that remotely resembles Wade/Bosh/Henrich etc.. I don't buy your theory it will take 3 additional years to see if a #2 overall pick has the stuff to be an elite player.

    Joe didn't need to have known whether Sheed would fall into his lap or not. At worst he could have picked the best player available at the spot. At worst that player could have been used as trade bait. When do you think the Pistons will get an #2 overall pick in that deep a draft again? It wasn't a small mistake it was a BLUNDER! You don't pick development projects when picking that high you go for the horse that's the surest bet based on current knowledge.

    Its all water under the bridge and nothing will change the past. I am surprised at the support Joe seems to have on this particular issue from Piston fans. The whole league knows it was blown pick.
     
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    What about this nugget: Do you mess with the chemistry of a 'ship squad?
    And that pick is now a 7 or worse. Big Big diff.
    Something will have to change or that pick won't see playing time either.
     
  13. TaS

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    To me, the best parallel to the Pistons #1 pick was the Spurs #1 pick when David Robinson was injured. It is a good example, because they were not a team that needed to rebuild, but rather a team that had a chance to build a dynasty with the right choice. As it happens, they went with a big man and it worked out for them.

    Detroit tried to do the same thing and it didn't work out... for whatever reason. Oh well, better luck next time, etc. I will we had a team that would win 72 games every year and win 6 straight championships, but it still beats rooting for the Lions.

    Who would you recommend as a replacement for Joe D Anakin?
     
  14. anakin

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    Ta, did I ever say that I recommend Joe get fired? I won't re-state what you obviously can't understand.
     
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    It wasn't a blown pick. It was a blown team/structuring method.
    And if it wasn't the Tragic, you can't say the whole league thinks it's/he's a bust.
     
  16. anakin

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    TFD your mincing definitions. There have been many articles stating that the pick was bad and Darko is a bust/not worthy of #2 overall. Anyway, enough with this topic. Its going no where.
     
  17. TaS

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    Ok, so you don't want him replaced, but you think he made at least 1 mistake in his tenure. I am in total agreement with you. Sorry it took so long for us to figure this out.
     
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    I've heard the bust takes. But that's based on the Pistons dis-use of him. And his not cracking the starting or bench rotation.
    As for the topic going nowhere, you're right, it's all about force of will, intelligence is secondary.
     
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    What I was trying to get across was that the pick Joe received from Orlando could turn out to be of high caliber.... that may take 3 years to determine... which could make Joe's #2 pick less of an issue.

    As for Darko, yeah he needs to show something by next year... all the excuses are gone.
     
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    Different paradigm though. The NHL and baseball have a legitimate minor league system. Until this year (and probably not properly for at least two more years) basketball did not.

    I think you are making a leap here. The trick is, if we get a Bosh (who was probably more capable than Darko out of the gate), does Joe even jump for Sheed? And if he doesn't, is a rookie Bosh, Zelly and Memo good enough to win a title?

    You are really on fire today. Great post.
     

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