Stuckey - PG?/Not PG?

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  1. Delfino Delivers

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    I guess that is my point. Some players in the league get every call. Rodney has established a reputation for forcing contact and doesn't even get the calls he deserves. Can something like that be changed or does he have to start playing on eggshells. Sometimes I think our players don't get the benefit of a friendly whistle just because they play for Detroit. There have been plenty of times over the years when one of our free agents that came from another team looks at the refs after a call like "you gave me that call last year in Chicago; what's up?"
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    Don't even get me started on the year the Miami heat beat us in the ECF. That was garbage officiating at it's finest. Can't remember which game, but we were up by roughly 20, and then the refs started giving them bs calls, like the 5 second inbound violation on Tay even though he signaled a timeout.
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    I bet HAARP was involved too! And those flying pyramids in the UFO thread. I actually think they mentioned this game in one of the videos.
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    do you even have this courage to discuss: Stuckey is neither PG nor SG?

    :skull::messer::help2:
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    He's a G.

    Lebron doesn't really fit into any position either. He's just a bull. Stuckey is like a mini Lebron. Even his range is proportional.
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    That's why he better fits the rebuilding process.
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    He's a Scoring Guard who needs to learn how to shoot the ball with more confidence and consistency.
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    I think we should change the title of the thread to:

    Stuckey - Piston?/Not Piston?

    I say not a Piston.
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    I wouldn't mind keeping him but it all depends on the contract he wants. If we could sign him for something like $5M/y I'd do. I wouldn't have any problems letting him go if he's looking for more though.
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    Resigning him for 5 million a year is unrealistic. Do you really value Stuckey that lowly?
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    Thinking some more I agree 5M might have been a bit too cheap. A roof of 6.5M is probably a better number. And that is if we can get rid of one of our 10M+ SG's. And I agree it will be hard to keep him with this number.
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    They are both realistic possibilities if you're talking about an 8th grader and you get him some good private coaching.
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    Nice recover. Might start in the 6.0 range and then a bump up to the seven range.
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    I'll try to put some numbers in perspective so that we can guess more accurately. Here are this year's salaries of some guys I'd roughly put in Stuckey's ability range or worse (i.e., I'm excluding the Chris Pauls)-

    Derek Fisher: $3.7M
    Jameer Nelson: $6.7M
    JJ Redick: $7.4M
    Chris Duhon: $3.3M
    Aron Afflalo: $2.0M
    Ty Lawson: $1.5M
    Tyreke Evans: $3.9M
    Raja Bell: $3.0M
    CJ Watson: $1.2M
    Aaron Brooks: $2.0M
    Mike Bibby: $5.6M
    Evan Turner: $4.6M
    Brandon Jennings: $2.3M
    Earl Boykins: $1.5M
    Rudy Fernandez: $1.2M
    Andre Miller: $7.3M
    George Hill: $1.1M
    Jose Calderon: $9.0M (holy crap is he overpaid)
    Mike Conley: $4.9M
    OJ Mayo: $4.5M
    Willie Green: $4.0M
    Marco Belinelli: $2.4M
    Will Bynum: $3.5M
    Matt Carroll: $4.3M
    Charlie Bell: $3.8M
    Stephen Curry: $2.9M (!!!)
    Goran Dragic: $2.0M
    Joel Anthony: $3.3M
    Eddie House: $1.4M
    Carlos Arroyo: $1.2M
    TJ Ford: $8.5M (ouch)
    Brandon Rush: $2.0M
    Kirk Hinrich: $9.0M (oh my is that a bad contract)
    John Wall: $5.1M
    Jordan Farmar: $3.8M
    Russell Westbrook: $4.0M
    Derrick Rose: $5.5M
    CJ Watson: $3.1M
    Eric Gordon: $3.0M
    Boobie Gibson: $4.0M
    Ramon Sessions: $4.0M
    Jamario Moon: $3.0M
    Luke Ridnour: $4.0M
    Seb Telfair: $2.7M
    Johnny Flynne: $3.2M

    A lot of these guys are on their rookie contracts... but that is also a route that we can go (draft a PG instead of resigning Stuckey).

    $4M looks like it would be a nice deal for us. $6M seems like it would be borderline. There are lots of guys currently at $4M that I think are comparable to Stuckey. Most of the guys below that salary that I think are better than him are just artificially capped by their rookie contracts and would demand much more if they were FA's now.

    My guess is that Joe will resign him for $7.5M ish.
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    Thanks for the research TaS. It puts things in perspective.

    One one hand, you can argue that that would be a terrible signing.

    On the other hand, you can argue that he's at least worth as much as CV.
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    Many thanks for this workup.
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    Edited to remove rookie deals:

    ^ Now the talent on that list looks pretty weak. Only 1 or 2 guys in Rodney's neighborhood once you remove the rookie deals. Most of those rookie-deal guys you had will be looking at massive contracts in a year or two.

    Plus Rodney seems to be slotted at the 2 right now. Second, you can't include rookie deals saying that we can just let him walk and use our pick on a replacement. Because then we're using a pick to REPLACE talent instead of ADD talent.

    Our best bet is to try to remove Rip and/or BG from the team, re-sign Stuckey to a fairly reasonable deal (probably in Conley's range starting next year), and drafting a pure point to play next to him. OR moving him for a mid-first if we can get one in a sign-and-trade. Then, at least we can try to replace him with THAT pick.
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    All good thinking...but...remove the drafting of a point guard.

    The shingles are in good shape. Do some scraping, clean the grooves and understand that a primer (established) with a secondary hard coat (Stuckey) will add years of protection against inconsistent weather patterns.

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