Talking Point - Lindsey Hunter

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  1. max

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    This is from detnews.


    It became clear on the Pistons' western trip how much they miss Hunter, especially his disruptive defense. The Pistons are ranked 21st in takeaways, averaging 14 a game. They will do better than that when Hunter gets back. Without him, coach Flip Saunders has been reluctant to trap up the floor. Hunter is one of the best in the league at that.
    http://www.detnews.com/2005/pistons/0511/16/E04-382025.htm


    Anyone share McKoskys opinion? Looking forward to Hunters return?

    Does Hunter make up for his lack of offense with Prime defense? What benifits the team more Arroyo's offense or Hunters defense?
     
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    Hunter will be better in a better offensive scheme. I think he was confused and hindered last year and the year before.

    Needless to say, Hunter's defense is a huge asset. Given the ability for this team to score almost at will, and many of those opportunities coming off of stops, Hunter could easily outproduce Arroyo in +/- this year.

    Of course Hunter is not the future. But he is an asset that many teams would like to have on their bench I am sure. Joe doesn't keep Lindsey around just because they are friends.
     
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    I agree

    Hunter could and should also benifit from the new offensive sets. Will it be enough to make up for his offense over what we get from Arroyo? I am not really sure what the answer is.

    Many times he would have been very usefull stopping some of the guards we have faced.
     
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    Last night I missed Hunter. He sets a tone with his defense and when your letting the other team score 60 points in a half, even though we crushed them in the second half....you need a defensive specialist to get the team going. He won't play as much as Arroyo...but there are times when this team needs to be reminded to get tough on defense.
     
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    Leadership by example. Very true. Lindsey is like a mini-Ben with his work ethic and effort. And his shooting... :(
     
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    HAHA! Just read a great line from Dallas' Head Coach Avery Johnson while scouting this coming weekend's Pistons victims.

    That's how I would view Lindsey Hunter if I was the bench boss.
     
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    Hunter

    Have to remember that job he did on Dwayne Wade. In a situation like that Hunter will make up the difference with his D. But you can't shelve the guy for a few games and expect him to be sharp. He will have to play at least a few mins every game. Coaches always love the guy so he will play.

    Probably end up cutting mins with Arroyo similiar rather than Evans on most nights. They have been playing at 15.7/13.4 for Evans/Arroyo. That would knock Arroyo down to around 6-8 MPG or so. Not an easy choice as Arroyo have been playing well.
     
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    Hunter

    Hunter will be a HUGE asset come playoff time. He's a defensive stopper and a proven vet on a bench filled with inexperience and untested playoff mettle.

    I love Hunter and always have. He's a great character guy, always gives 100% effort and is just plain fun to watch on defence.

    Get well soon Hunter, we're going to need you in a few months. (But not too soon, the rookies can really use your minutes right now)
     
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    it became clear to me after our 7-0 start and great offensive flow that we don't need hunter so much. arroyo's defense isn't that bad and his offense is wayyyyy better than hunters. lindsey stops the other team and stops us from scoring. when lindsey comes back our 100 pt avg will drop to something like 92.

    lindsey should have spot defense duty only. we are playing games with only 2 point guards dressed. that means flip has confidence in delfino and tay that they can play some point too. hunter just stay ready for the playoffs.
     
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    Post Hunter era

    If Hunter retires or is not the same post injury does any think Marcus Banks would be a viable alternative as the lock down ballhawking defender. Boston failed to pick up his option. He will be an unrestricted free agent. He is kind of beaten down possibly a JD diamond in the rough. Any thoughts or opinions?
     
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    I'd feel better about Banks if he had gone thru LB's PG bootcamp.

    Lindsey does create good offense via the t.o.'s he creates... not much more effective offense than dunks off t.o.s...
    At this stage in his career he should just be used as a specialist and protecting a lead late in the game.
    He relies on his wingspan and quickness... it will be interesting to see if he can regain the mobility after the injury (old farts recoup slower).
     
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    Arroyo looks better in this system. I'm betting Hunter will as well. The idea is to shoot on instinct and not run the clock down passing to death. That was a big problem with LH last year, he would end up with a lot of shots taken with 2 seconds on the clock.

    Lindsey can stroke the 3 when he is on. I think he could be very effective in spot duty. A dramatic change-up from Arroyo. Confuse the heck out of opponents. Intense defensive pressure = Havoc = Detroit Basketball.
     
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    Should we just get on with it?

    When it comes to Lindsay, who has been a favorite of mine since he came in as a rookie, I really have mixed feelings.

    On one hand I see what he can do with someone like Wade. That lock down defense can come in might handy.

    On the other hand, using Carlos more and more as the season goes on, without his losing minutes to Lindsay, will improve his defense and his offense is better than Lindsay is likely to generate.

    There is going to come a time when LH will be gone, and sometimes I wonder if we are hurting ourselves by prolonging it when we could be doing more to develop CA, CD, ME, etal.

    I guess it goes along with my feelings the same way with holding onto Elden and now Dale, when we can use that time to get a younger player ready sooner.

    As a 72 year old, I guess I should be rooting for the old timers, but I guess I am not one to hold onto a player who is past his prime when there is a talented youngster just chomping at the bit.

    I guess that is why I am sitting here typing and someone else is coaching the Pistons.
     
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    Call me crazy (and now somebody will), but I can see situations where I'd play Hunter AND Arroyo together -- one to run the offense and the other to defend the opposing lead guard, particularly against bench lineups that don't have two strong backcourt scorers. We've got size enough to cover for them, and it makes a disruptive change of pace.
     
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    I don't think that's crazy... we did this with James & Hunter...
    I'm not giving up on Arroyo as a trapping defender just yet... it really depends on the matchups... as long as the opponent doesn't have the size to post up on LH... he's much better suited on offense as a SG.
     
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    You need a quick guy hovering around who can make Hunter give up the ball after a steal. Otherwise Lindsey will try to lead the break ... and I swear to God there is no guard in NBA history with less ability to convert a simple 3 on 1 break.
     
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    That was exactly the role Mike James played. I don't see a lot of quicks on this roster. Athleticism, yes, but the only true burner is Rip...
     
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    we are scoing much better off of stops though. whenever lindsey made a stop last year larry wouldn't let him push it up the floor for easy points he'd make him set up a play, but with flip he can be more effecient on offense because flip will let him try to create quick plays off stops.
     
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    Maybe I am just to big of a LH fan but I think he can push the ball well. I think he is going to be way more effective in CFS system. However, I think we are not giving enough credit to CA (I listened on Radio) but it seems like he had a couple of good steals in the Boston game in the 4th. I think a CA, LH lineup would rock!
     
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    Sure could have used him last night.
     

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