Tayshaun Prince, One of The Most Underated Players In The NBA

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  1. roscoe36

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    Tayshaun Prince has not come up big consistently.

    Tayshaun Prince has not increased his offensive output.

    Tayshaun Prince is not a lockdown defender.

    The reason why you trade Tay is because he has some value which speaks to the quality of this team that Joe has gotten rid of Ben, Chauncey and probably Sheed to allow Tay to float (not swim) to the top. It's merit by default.

    The 3 spot is a lot easier to fill than the 1 or the 5. Tay is in a position with a surplus of talent, and he may be the 10th best SF in a league where the gap between 10 and 25 is not that wide.

    I don't care if he stays or goes really. We're not going to be very good next year, and maybe a guy who palms the ball for 15 seconds will help us keep the game slow and give us a chance to win a few.

    As far as Tay being underpaid, I will argue that. Instead of measuring his wage to his output, measure his wage relative to the output of Lebron James. Paul Pierce. Caron Butler. And their wages. I don't know the result, I just know looking at a guy's stats and his wage and going "seems right" isn't really a market process of price discovery.
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    I think we're all having difficulty coming to the realization that the Pistons are not going to back contending again next year. It makes it hard to guess on what moves they should make.

    At least we all seem to agree that it is 15 seconds and not some other number that he holds onto the ball for.
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    If nothing else, I sure do enjoy the convenient "in-game breaks" that he provides. Tay allows me to make a quick trip to the fridge with missing any action (aside from the sweet sound of the shot clock expiring).
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    LOL, true.
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    Tay is perhaps the most consistent player in the league.

    Year: points/ ave/ Reb/ Ast/ TOV (per 36 min)
    2005: 14.3/ .487/ 5.2/ 2.9/ 1.6
    2006: 14.4/ .455/ 4.3/ 2.3/ 1.1
    2007: 14.0/ .460/ 5.1/ 2.7/ 1.2
    2008: 14.4/ .448/ 5.3/ 3.6/ 1.2
    2009: 13.7/ .450/ 5.6/ 3.0/ 1.2

    There is hardly any variation at all. Also consider that he has also never missed a game in his entire life.


    This is reminding me a little bit of the debate over Chauncey before his departure. Focusing on 1 or 2 trees while standing in the middle of a vast forest.

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    If by consistent you mean achieving a certain level and then never improving, then yes.
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    All of those stats are at a higher level than the year we won the championship with him starting.

    He's so underrated that his hometown fans don't even appreciate him.
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    We had a similar thread last summer where people were ragging on Billups.

    Prince certainly has had plenty of moments where he didn't step it up when the Pistons really needed him to. Detroit fans have seen Tay for so many straight games that they take him for granted. With the team losing, some of the minor player annoyances that were ignored before are now much more difficult to ignore.
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    I'd compare Tay to Orlando's two 3s, Turk and Rashard. In terms of ability, I'd rate them Shard, Turk, and Tay. In terms of production, I'd rate Turk, Tay and Shard. What's scary is Lewis is a max deal player, maybe the most overpaid player in the league now that AIs contract has expired.

    Tay is not bad, he's just soft, kinda like Pau. He's a great luxury on a good team. On an average or worse team, he's useless.
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    He isn't underrated. People have been clamoring for him to get in the All star game for years even though he's never been at that level or worthy of that accolade.

    True, Prince did have better seasons under Brown. Maybe we can send him to Charlotte.
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    Larry Brown has no interest in Tayshaun Prince.
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    What an insincere jerk. Why doesn't he just admit that he has no interest in him?
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    May be true. May be his development was limited on a good team like Pistons. Also may be he could develop to a higher level due to more responsibilities for him on a worse team.
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    I'm gonna get bashed for this but I am a Tay supporter...

    We just have to accept the fact that he is not going to be the go to guy we all want him to be. He's just going to be that quiet guy who gets us a couple of points, rebounds a bit and dishes assists, plays D -- all around.

    A team with Iverson, Kobe, Lebron, Bosh and Howard would have trouble sharing the ball.

    The fact is a team needs someone like Tay who doesn't demand the ball but produces here and there. He is an ingredient to team chemistry and for that alone, I don't want him gone for an unproven fix like say Marvin Williams who has been campaigned somewhat here.

    What we need is a renewed hunger, a new chemistry.

    I love Rip at the 2 still and Tay at the 3. We need a new frontcourt, tough, and Sheed is not going to cut it anymore. Dice is giving it his all but will not provide toughness and is better off the bench. JMax is still too inconsistent, Amir is more or less stuck at the development level, Afflalo is a bench guy.

    If we can get Stuckey 3 point range and better grasp of the PG position, Blake Griffin or a tough, young PF (not a jump shooting one like Bosh, or a flaky Boozer) then a center, I'd say keep Tay. He gives you his most every night.
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    The ultimate glue guy. Glue is worthless if you don't have any pieces to glue together.
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    good point!
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    Scattered pieces with no glue doesn't work either.
    Surround Tayshaun with 3 or 4 guys who are better than he is and they LOVE playing with him.
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    Stuckey + Rip + $25M in spending money? I thought we were in a pretty good position to get pieces.
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    If $25M could buy a Center and a PF we might be in a pretty good position.
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