The 2014-15 Season: Starters, Bench, Rotations, oh my

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  1. Laimbrane

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    Lifetime supply of Icy Hot, though.
     
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  3. LA Dre

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    Looks like we will have to start this season under the radar and surprise a few folks

    .....ESPN/Las Vegas Hotel & Casino didn't have us even in the top 10 to win the east.

    The favorites and odds are :
    Cavs 6-5
    Bulls 11-4
    Pacers 11-2
    Heat 13-1
    Wiz 13-1
    Hornets 18-1
    Nets 18-1
    Knicks 18-1
    Raptors 18-1
    Hawks 23-1

    So despite the new coach and better pieces, the odds still have us fighting it out with bottom feeders (Magic, Sixers, Celtics and Bucs) just to possibly get to that 10th seed which of course means nothing.
     
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    It's kinda hard to see which of those teams we are better than as it stands. I might have wagered the Hawks and/or Nets, but the Hawks will get Horford back from injury, the Nets get Lopez back too but lost Pierce... possibly we could finish above the Knicks.
     
  5. junior

    junior Bench Warmer 3x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    Not sure if this is the right thread for this, but I currently see the East in kind of four tiers.

    Cleveland
    Indiana
    Chicago
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    Washington
    Toronto
    Miami
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    Atlanta
    Charlotte
    Detroit
    NY Nets
    NY Knicks
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    Milwaukee
    Boston
    Orlando
    Philadelphia

    First Tier: Lebron will transform the young guns and the T-Wolves will get desperate by the all-star break and trade away Love. Indiana will use the forces of Stuckey to help fix Roy Hibbert. Derrick Rose will emerge from the grave like the monsters from the Michael Jackson Thriller video. We will get to see if the elder Gasol can excel outside of the Phil Jackson/Kobe regime. Only three teams I could see standing a chance against any top 8 from the West.

    Second Tier: Washington keeps Gortat and swaps Ariza for Paul Pierce while retaining John Wall and Bradley Beal. Solid group. Toronto gets Lowry back at quite a reasonably price, 48 mil for 4 years and retains its quality role players. Thought they competed well at moments in the playoffs against the Heat. The current Heat remind me a lot of the 09/10 Raptors, Bosh's last season with them. Wade led a team with very little help to a championship a couple of years back without Lebron. If Wade can break his form back even slightly, this team will be better than the 09/10 Raptors that finished 40-42 and in 9th in the East. I think the Heat could surprise everyone and upset a Cleveland or a Bulls Team in the playoffs with a potential 3 vs. 6 matchup in the first round.

    Third Tier: This is the tier I see the Pistons fitting in at. I have never really felt any of these teams to be championship caliber teams and most of them seem to lack a true star. The Knicks have Melo, but no solid role players around him. Charlotte has Al Jefferson and Kemba and could be dangerous, possibly vying for a 4 seed. Nets feel washed up to me. Hawks have always felt like a first round playoff exit team to me 6 or 7 seed, but never enough to take down the teams with championship caliber talent. With all the uncertainty in these teams, I think the Pistons, in an optimistic light can fight for a 7 or 8 seed, if Van Gundy can fix the mindsets of some players i.e. Smith not jacking 3s, and figure out the rotations.

    Fourth Tier: 76ers showed their hand early with a tanking mindset in the draft. Bucks remind me of the Cavs before they got Lebron. Cavs went 17-65 in 2003 before Lebron and finished 35-47 with rookie Lebron who played most of his games at Shooting Guard going 8/19 per game at 20 ppg leading the Cavs to 9th in the East, just missing the playoffs. This is optimistic for the Bucks. Similarly with the Magic and Celtics who were both awful last season, they have a great deal of youth and do not look poised to make any sort of playoff push.

    Recap: 3 main teams in championship contention from East, imo. Pistons optimistically looking 6-8 seed, imo.
     
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    Great post, only I would put Miami down at the top of the third tier. I like Toronto, they have a great team. Washington is pretty good but I'm not sure how Paul Pierce's corpse is going to help them out. Ariza was a big part of their perimeter defense and really played well last year. Beal is looking like he will break out a bit. I really want to see Otto Porter play because I am certain he can contribute.
     
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    Yep. Plus from my understanding SVG pulled out last time. Good sign that he won't be taken advantage of to fix a problem.
     
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    junior Bench Warmer 3x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    To clarify, most Pistons fans want Josh Smith traded?

    The majority of fans feel there is more potential in keeping Greg Monroe long term and playing alongside Drummond?

    Although, the statistics suggest that Smith is a much better defensive player than Monroe. However, his utter lack of offensive efficiency garnered him the second worst player in the league last year for offensive win shares. His rating was actually -1.4 OWS, as his contribution to the total number of wins to the team was -1.4 wins.

    It seems that Monroe's projected contract would fit in around $60 mil (12 for 5 years). That is quite similar to Smith's contract.

    Therefore in discussing the trade to the Kings of Josh Smith, a quality defensive player, for seemingly mediocre players, Jason Thompson and Derrick Williams, what are our reasons as fans for having such fervor to trade away a quality big man?

    Do we feel he would not accept a bench role behind Monroe or a rotation role with Monroe?

    Do we feel even with a superior coach in Van Gundy, Smith is too much of a head case to stop shooting 3s and play in his position?

    In financial terms, dealing Smith for Thompson and Williams makes a lot more sense.

    This would be a move for next off season and the following, Williams' ~6 mil would come off the books after next season. Thompson would be retained for the 2015/2016 season, and could come off the books in two seasons. This trade would set up a great financial situation for the 2015/2016 Pistons. This is the year that Drummond becomes a RFA and will possibly be looking to get a max contract if he keeps up his current trajectory. In two years, the 2016 off season, the Pistons would only have Meeks and KCP on the books at ~10 mil total. Adding Monroe on there would bring it to ~22-25 mil. There is a projected max cap increase with a new television deal, where the cap could increase to potentially ~70 mil.

    Considering the Pistons would only have ~25 mil taken up with 3 solid players, they could easily offer Drummond the max and still have ~30 mil to work out finding a solid point guard and role players.

    I know fans never like to be thinking too far into tomorrow, as it can make today not very excited. Think about this: In 2012/2013, with a rookie Drummond and an over-the-hill Tay as our second best scorer, we finished 29-53. With a "drastically improved" group of more talented players including Smith and Jennings, as well as, a more honed Drummond, we again finished 29-53. I'd say we take an improved Drummond and put him in the 2012/2013 team and we finish better than 29-53. BETTER without Smith. Not to mention the crew in 2014/2015 we've acquired the past two offseasons: Jennings, Augustin, KCP, Meeks, Butler feels a lot better than the 2012/2013 crew that featured Stuckey, Maxiell, Tay, and CV.

    Optimism, my friends.

    Recap: If we don't believe in the Smith, Monroe, Drummond rotation and feel Smith is too much of a knucklehead to stop shooting bad 3s, this current trade rumor makes the most sense TODAY, for on court reasons finding players in spots where they belong, and for TOMORROW, with clearing up cap space to keep the cornerstone of the franchise in a Pistons jersey when he gets off the books in 2016.

    Be thankful for yesterday, live for today, and hope for tomorrow.
     
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    When will this quality defensive player start playing quality defense?
     
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    That's part of the problem. Too many selfish old timers. No one charged him money when he came into the league and was shown the ropes. Too many guy's out for themselves instead of for the love of the game and helping the next generation. This is why so many young guy's with talent lack the fundamentals and don't last in the league.
     
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    Its good to know that the decline of mentorship I have seen and experienced in my own professional life also translates into the NBA.
     
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    I think pf.com should start a mentoring program in which veteran members take the new ones under their wing and teach them how to trade barbs with other posters, be sarcastic, and let them know when it is appropriate to throw personal insults over insignificant topics.
     
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    I nominate you to mentor junior :P
     
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