Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by jayborne, Jul 30, 2013.
What makes you think KCP will start over Stuckey?
To be honest I don't like the trade, I like BK and think he could grow well with this team and he already had a good connection. Jennings just isn't that much of a right now improvement for me to approve.
With that said, I was wondering why couldn't we simply make Jennings an offer. I probably just don't understand the rules that well, but wasn't he a RFA which means whatever we pitch at him miluawkee can equal within a certain amount of time?
A S&T was beneficial for two reasons:
1- Our roster was full. If we signed him outright, we'd have to waive a player.
2- With the S&T, there is less of an impact on our caproom since we sent away salary.
He kind of looks like KCP
- Is there really no one to waive? is there?
- How much are the conracts we sent worth? do they really mean that much?
I liked Brandon Knight, but he didn't play particularly well night in and night out. Maybe he will continue to develop and be great. Maybe not.
Brandon Jennings is a proven starter in this league. He could probably start for 10 teams in this league, and with better talent around him, you've got to believe he has a higher ceiling than he has already shown.
Always the voice of reason.
Knight has better character. That being said, their productions were similar. But, Jennings gives you:
0.5 more turnovers
0.7 more steals
1.8 more assists
He makes up for the additional turnovers with the additional steals, so we'll be getting almost 2 more assists from our PG. The Ast/TO ratio goes from 1.44 to 2.38. That is an upgrade.
We give up size (2" to be exact) for that upgrade.
Jennings' ORTG/DRTG* numbers ate 106/108.
Knights' ORTG/DRTG numbers are 98/110
This would suggest that they're about the same defensively but Jennings is a better offensive player. Knight looks like a better defender when you watch him, so take this with any grain of salt you want.
The big knock against Jennings is that he's a chucker. Comparing his shot selection vs Knight's looks like so:
Distance/Percentage of overall attempts/FG%
Their shot selection is surprisingly similar, with the biggest difference being Knight takes it to the rim a lot more and Jennings shoots more from mid-range. Jennings actually is marginally better on long 2s, but because Knight finishes better at the rim, he ends up being the better shooter on stat sheets.
Finally, look at the heat map comparison between the two players (based on pts scored):
Jennings is a threat from anywhere on the floor. Knight can hit the 3 or lay it in. That is a very important upgrade as well since we need floor spacing.
This was a very good pickup for us, albeit the cost was letting go of a promising, well-liked young kid. But this is a much easier pill to swallow than the Monroe-Knight-picks for Rondo trade.
*ORTG = Offensive rating - estimate of points produced or scored per 100 posessions. DRTG is the same estimate scored by the other team.
In Pistons Jenings do not have to be wannabe hero every night. More assist and spot up shooting instead of circus shots. That's Dumars bet, I guess.
Man, Knight was pretty binary offensively. He only attempted the 2 best shots in bball (open 3's and layups).
Jennings is a huge upgrade over Knight. Lets be very clear here. He moves quickly around screens, can turn the corner, and finds rolling guys. He forces players over screens rather than under, draws heaps of help defense and spaces the floor.
Oh yeah, and he can actually run a set play.
Lets not get starry eyed about Brandon Knight, I think he will do well in the NBA but he was at least a year or two away from that.
And he still hit them at pretty low rate
Knight's efficiency wasn't really that bad from a scoring, shooting standpoint. I think his ast/tov ratio was the weakness.
outside paint- 70% of attempts, .454 eFG
inside paint- 30% of attempts, .523 eFG
outside paint- 77% of attempts, .457 eFG
inside paint- 23% of attempts, .503 eFG
outside paint- 71%, .404
inside paint- 29%, .559
You think Pizza Guy can check 2s on defense?
I going on the assumption that the Piston coaches will take some time to look at some of Stuckey's game tape over the last two seasons.
And Wall just inked a max contract.
This picture will look different next year:
I bet if you had a Walter graph of of CB it would look more like Knight.
The Washington Generals are insane!
Wall's good but not "max" good.
Here's the take on Jennings from "America's Finest News Source" from 2009:
(this appears to be after that 55 point game early in his rookie season)
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