The Perfect GM

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  1. TaS

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    I'm wondering how good of a team you could construct with the rules and constraints below. You have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight here.

    • You inherit the Pistons 2004 Championship team, but all of the players quit and their contracts are voided.
    • You have 0 players on your roster and you get the same draft pick positions in each draft that the Pistons got. If they traded a pick or got one from someone else, then you get the same draft pick positions that they ended up with.
    • You have to pay he players that you end up with exactly what they are currently making. For example, if you drafted David Lee in 2005, then he'd be on your current roster at $12.5M, or whatever the Warriors are paying him currently.
    • Your 2011 team has to fit within the salary cap. No lux tax!
    • You can draft undrafted players, as long as they were out of college at the time and are currently in the NBA.
    Is it possible to have a Championship team with these restrictions?

    Here is a decent place to find this year's salaries:
    http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

    Wikipedia is probably the best place to see each year's draft picks.

    I don't have time to give it a shot now, but it is something that I've been wondering about for a while. What is the upper limit to the drafting performance that Dumars could have had. A good GM probably bats .300+, so this is just for fun.
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    You're assuming we could land the best FAs of 04, 05, 06, etc.?
  3. TaS

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    Didn't really have time to do this when I posted before, but here are the notable guys that we could have had with each pick, but passed on- Also including their current salaries.

    2005:
    26th pick-
    (Maxiell- $5M)
    David Lee- $10.8M
    Monte Ellis- $11.0M

    56th pick-
    (Amir- $5M)
    Martin Gortat- $6.3M

    60th pick-
    (Acker- $0.6M)
    Jose Calderon- $9.0M undrafted


    This is actually a tough decision from 2005. I'm think that I'm going with Ellis over Lee for the 1st pick and resigning him. Sticking with Amir for the 2nd pick and resigning him. Going with Acker for the last one and will let his rookie contract expire.

    So, the 2011 team so far:
    PG: ___
    SG: Monte Ellis
    SF: ___
    PF: ___ / Amir Johnson
    C: ___

    $16.0M in salaries.

    This team goes 0-82 in 2005-06. They still score 80 points per game, but Amir can't stop 5 opposing players by himself.
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    Man, TaShawn that is some crazy complicated project you've set out for anyone with the time and drive to take it on. I think I'd have to get a Doctorate Degree in NBA to even touch it. But I'm looking forward to reading this thread to see what anyone and yourself come up with. Very interesting.
  5. TaS

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    2006 Draft:

    51st pick:
    (Cheikh Samb- $0.5M out of league) we acquired the pick

    60th pick:
    (Will Blalock- $0.3M- out of league)

    There was really nobody else drafted after #51 that is in the league I don't think.

    I'm keeping both of these picks and resigning them if I can't get anyone better later.

    2007 Draft:

    15th Pick:

    (Rodney Stuckey- $2.8M)
    Crittenton
    Wilson Chandler
    Rudy Fernandez

    27th Pick:

    (Arron Afflalo- $2.0M)
    Tiago Splitter
    Glen Davis- $3.3M
    Marc Gasol- $3.5M
    Ramon Sessions- ?

    57th Pick:
    (Sammy Mejia- $0.3M)

    With the 1st pick, I'm taking Marc Gasol. With the 2nd pick, I'm sticking with Afflalo. Gotta stick with Mejia on the 3rd pick.

    ____/____/Blalock
    Ellis/ Afflalo
    ____/Mejia
    Amir/ ____
    Gasol/____/Samb

    $16M+$0.8M+$5.5M = $22.3M for a pretty mediocre lineup so far. But not many high picks due to the Pistons' winning ways.
  6. TaS

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    2008 Draft:

    32nd pick-
    (Walter Sharpe- out of league)
    Mario Chalmers
    Luc Mba a Moute
    Sonny Weems
    Goran Dragic
    Chris Douglas-Roberts

    46th pick-
    (Trent Plaisted- out of league)

    59th pick-
    (Deron Washington)
    Semih Erden
    Gary Forbes- undrafted


    Man, this is tough. We had a crappy draft, but struggling to pick from what we could have had. I'm not going to peek ahead on drafts to figure out what sort of players will be available, so I'm looking for a PG and SF to start.

    With 1st pick, I gotta go with Chris Douglas-Roberts at $0.9M.
    Erden is obvious for the 2nd pick at $0.5M.
    I'll go with Gary Forbes with the 3rd pick $0.5M.


    Now we're looking like:
    ____/Forbes/Blalock
    Ellis/ Afflalo
    Douglas-Roberts/ Mejia
    Amir/ ____
    Gasol/ Erden/ Samb

    $22.3M + $1.5M = $23.8M. It's tough spending money this far back in the draft! At this point, I have constructed a team that has a chance against the current Pistons squad. Still hoping to get a good PG if possible. I think I have 4 more picks coming, but don't remember if the Pistons traded them.
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    2009 Draft

    15th Pick:
    (Austin Daye)
    Ty Lawson
    Jeff Teague
    Omri Casspi
    Taj Gibson

    35th Pick:
    (DeJuan Summers)
    DeJuan Blair

    39th Pick:
    (Jonas Jerebko)
    Chase Budinger*

    OK, this seems fairly easy. Things are shaping up.

    Going with Ty Lawson with my 1st pick at $1.5M
    Grabbing DeJuan Blair with 2nd pick at $0.9M
    HAVE to stick with Jerebko with 3rd pick at $0.8M (deal of the draft)

    Lawson/Forbes/Blalock
    Ellis/ Afflalo
    Jerebko/ C. D-Roberts/ Mejia
    Amir/ Blair
    Gasol/ Erden/ Samb

    $23.8M + $3.2M = $27.0M.

    This is actually starting to look like a good team. Lawson could be the heir apparent for Billups in Denver. Ellis is a borderline all-star. Afflalo, Amir, and Gasol are all starters. CDR, Blair, and Erden are average to above average back-ups.
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    TaShawn, did you play be yourself a lot when you were a little kid? :pound:
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    2010 Draft

    7th Pick:
    (Greg Monroe)
    Ed Davis
    Eric Bledsoe

    36th Pick:
    (Terrico White)
    Larry Fields

    Oh, simple stuff.

    Going with Greg Monroe at $2.8M
    Then picking Landry Fields at $0.5M

    Now I have too many players. This means that I'm dropping Blalock and Samb.

    The Final 2011 Roster is...

    Ellis/ Lawson/ Forbes
    Fields/ Afflalo
    Jerebko/ C. D-Roberts/ Mejia
    Amir/ Blair
    Gasol/ Monroe/ Erden

    $27.0M + $3.3M for Monroe/Fields - $0.8M = $29.5M.


    I don't think it is too big of a stretch to think that the Pistons could currently have this roster if Joe Dumars would have made the perfect draft picks. And we'd have the cheapest team in the league by about $15M. I like to think of this as the upper limit, which would be like batting 1.000 in baseball.

    The problem that I see with the end result here is that the team isn't weighted heavily enough toward the starting unit. The bench unit is too comparable and you get some of the same issues that our current Piston team has. I'm tempted to move the players around to create a more compelling team, but that's a fool's errand.

    Glad I got this off my chest.
  10. TaS

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    Once I hit puberty.

    I like a good project every now and then. Got sucked into this thought experiment... and it was a little more work that I would have imagined.
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    25 win team, tops. Not much worse than our current (on track to) 29 win team, at half the cost.
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    I think that team would bring more wins than the current one. I would even go so far as to say it's better on every position except SF.
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    I'd get Phil Jackson for $60M per year.
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    You must have overlooked that I retained Mejia.
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    Great stuff TaS, but if JD keeps his "core" starters none of these guys play and they bolt. And you're right back where you started.
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    JD was fired at the start of this and you were given the job. I forgot to mention that key point. You do own a blackberry, right? If not, the organization would assign one to you.
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    lolollolololol
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    You should send that to yahoo'BDL'
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    Sounds like fun! I'll play...

    2005 Draft:
    26: Monta Ellis (went 40th) SG
    - Averages 25.2 points per game, 5.4 assists per game
    - Current Salary: $11,000,000

    56: Jose Calderon (undrafted) PG
    - Averages 10 ppg, 8.9 apg
    - Current Salary: $9,000,000

    60: Will Bynum (undrafted) PG/SG
    - Averages 7.1 ppg, 2.9 apg
    - Current Salary: $3,500,000 (eventually cut)

    2006 Draft:
    51 - Jose Barea PG (undrafted)
    - Averages 9.2 pgg, 3.4 apg
    - Current Salary: $1,815,000

    60 - Kelenna Azubuike SG (undrafted)
    - Averages 13.9 ppg, 4.6 rpg
    - Current Salary: $3,364,000

    2007 Draft:
    15 - Wilson Chandler SF (went 23rd)
    - Averages 16.4 ppg, 6 rpg
    - Current Salary: $2,130,481

    27 - Marc Gasol C (went 48th)
    - Averages 11.8 ppg, 7 rpg
    - Current Salary: $3,480,000

    57 - Sammy Meija (same) G
    - out of the league

    2008 Draft:
    32 - DeAndre Jordan C (went 35th)
    - Averages 6.9 ppg, 7.1 rpg
    - Current Salary: $854,389

    46 - Trent Plaisted (same) F
    - out of the league

    59 - Deron Washington (same) F
    - out of the league

    2009 Draft:
    15 - Ty Lawson PG (went 18th)
    - Averages 10.4 ppg, 3.7 apg
    - Current Salary: $1,803,720

    35 - Dejaun Blair PF (went 37th)
    - Averages 8.6 ppg, 7.5 rpg
    - Current Salary: $918,000

    39 - Jonas Jerebko PF (same)
    - Averaged 9.3 ppg, 6 rpg
    - Current Salary: $762,195

    2010 Draft:
    8 - Greg Monroe PF/C (same)
    - Averages 7.4 ppg, 6.4 rpg
    - Current Salary: $2,798,040

    36 - Landry Fields SG/SF (went 39th)
    - Averages 10.1 ppg, 7.1 rpg
    - Current Salary: $473,604

    Team:
    PG Calderon/Lawson
    SG Ellis/Azubuike/Barea
    SF Chandler/Fields
    PF Blair/Jerebko
    C Gasol/Monroe/Jordan

    Salary Total: $38,399,429

    I think this is a good team, and a deep one. I would also consider Bynum and Daye instead of Lawson, but I do like guys that can rack up assists, and I think that, long-term, Lawson is the better choice.

    So I look at the following stats (per 48):
    Player: pp48/rp48/ap48/bkp48___Prod./Opp.Prod. (82games.com)
    Calderon: 15.3/4.6/13.9/0.1___19.2/16.4 (+2.7)
    Lawson: 20.9/4.5/7.5/0.1___17.4/14.3 (+3.1)
    Ellis: 29.6/4/6.4/0.3___20.9/16.6 (+4.3)
    Azubuike: 26.0/8.5/2.1/1.9___22.1/15.4 (+6.7) *Last year
    Barea: 21.5/4.7/8.2/0.0___11.5/13.5 (-2.0)
    Chandler: 22.9/8.3/2.3/1.9___18/13.6 (+4.4)
    Fields: 14.8/10.5/2.9/0.4___15.3/12.9 (+2.4)
    Blair: 18.5/16.1/2.4/1.1___16.8/24.2 (-7.4)
    Jerebko: 15.9/10.3/1.2/0.4___15.7/18.8 (-3.1) *Last year
    Gasol: 17/10.1/3.9/2.5___16.8/13.9 (+3.0)
    Monroe: 14.1/12.1/1.7/0.9___15.0/19.4 (-4.4)
    Jordan: 12.7/13/0.9/3.1___16.2/16.7 (-0.5)

    Using the 48 minutes stat, I'm going to assume that the players have the following breakdown in minutes:

    PG: Calderon: 30, Lawson: 18
    SG: Ellis: 30, Azubuike (injured), Barea: 18
    SF: Chandler: 25, Fields: 23
    PF: Blair: 30, Jerebko: (injured), Monroe: 18
    C: Gasol: 30, Monroe: 7, Jordan: 11

    So that projects for 96.27 points per game (24th), 43.76 rebounds per game (4th), 26.00 assists per game (1st), and 4.93 blocks per game (16th). It's probably not going to win a championship, but I would wager that it's a playoff team. Also consider that the team's second best scorer (per 48 minutes) and their energy guy are injured.

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