The really sad thing - Fixing this team wouldn't be that hard

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  1. S.J.

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    Exactly.

    You speculate about desires of free agency players that you don't know, desires and wishes of coaches that you don't know and other teams interest that you might heard a rumor.
    I rather design this plan without involving other teams because I'm trying to be realistic.

    The faults that we see in Monroe, other teams see it too. Other teams can see that he is bad at defending in the post. I don't imagine any team giving him more than 12-13 per year, at max!. (Maybe I'm wrong, time will tell).
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    I think he'll get somewhere around 13 or 14. David Lee makes 13.8 (15 next year) for the Warriors, and the two are very similar players; I don't ever hear anyone complaining about how much he's paid. Monroe is young and skilled at a an in-demand position. I guarantee you that there will be a handful of GMs out there that will recognize that he's playing out of position at the 4 and think they benefit tremendously from his offense while covering up his defense.

    The fact remains that he's the best post player the Pistons have had... maybe in my lifetime. That he's a defensive liability will be swept under the rug by someone.

    And I suspect that we will miss him somewhat when he's gone.
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    Is Monroe better in the post than Rasheed?
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    Sheed > Monroe in the post.

    Monroe != David Lee. Lee is a much more versatile player.

    Lee can shoot and he has a higher motor.
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    Monroe is a 14/8 guy who is a poor defender. Someone will either sign him based on potential or to come off the bench.
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    Sheed in '03/'04:
    [​IMG]

    Monroe in '13/'14:
    [​IMG]

    David Lee in '13/'14:
    [​IMG]

    They're pretty similar players. Monroe gets his at a higher % inside, but all three are good rebounders and excellent post players.

    I'll give you Sheed as a very good post player.... I wish he did it more.
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    Monroe is especially good when you factor in all the tip ins of his own misses. He's tenacious.
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    Why dunk the ball for 2 points, when you can tip it in twice for 2 points and 2 rebounds?
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    I agree that Monroe is a bad defender, but I would posit that he is not a bad defender in all facets.

    I've seen him play very good one-on-one defence against a variety of skilled players from the elbow inwards. Sure he gets beaten, but there are so many good post players that can get theirs off of just one or two steps - as he does on the opposite end. In those situations, he also keeps his feet well (probably because he doesn't really jump) and does not commit silly fouls, keeping his arms up straight and going straight up when he jumps (if he goes up at all).

    Where he really lacks though, is his ability to funnel that one-on-one defence into the direction of help defenders (as was pointed out about Josh at the start of the season), his pick and roll defence, positional defence and help defence.

    It just seems like when he is one-on-one, he focuses more as all the focus is on him, but when he is playing team defence, he feels he can slack off and not be the one that is caught out. This is lack of effort for me, AND1!! of the things that annoys me the most about him.
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    Our defensive lapses can mostly be attributed to the lack of any direction from the bench. It is one thing to say "we are going to focus on defense and become a defensive team" and it is completely different to actually take the necessary actions to accomplish that goal. As the well-known 24th century philosopher has said, "there is a difference between knowing the path, and walking the path."
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    That "AND1" bothers me too. I wish Sheed would tell him to knock it off......
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    What about "Ball don't lie"?
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    Ball don't lie was so much more passive aggressive and brilliant.
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    How about "Not in my house!"?
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    Rasheed Wallace didn't need to say anything.


    To illustrate the difference. "Ball Don't Lie" reminds me of this:
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    Moose's "AND1" reminds me of this:
    [​IMG]
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    It wouldn't bother me so much if at least half of them even were And1s
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