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  1. TaS

    TaS All-Star Forum Donor

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    Final plus minus leaders from the 2009-2010 season. The first name is the cummulative leader on the team and the second name is the per minute leader on the team. Might be a good place to start to look for hidden talent. Most of the players are household names, but there are also some surprises. The list below filters out any player who played less than 500 minutes. Notice that Camby was the leader on 2 separate teams. No coincidence there.

    Team/ +-/ +- per min

    Atl: Horford/ Bibby
    Bos: Allen/ Garnett
    Cha: Diaw/ Diaw
    Chi: Deng/ Deng
    Cle: Lebron/ Varejao
    Dal: Nowitzi/ Haywood
    Den: Andersen/ Andersen
    Det: Wallace/ Wallace
    GS: George/ George
    Hou: Lowry/ Lowry
    Ind: Price/ Price
    Lal: Kobe/ Kobe
    Lac: Camby/ Camby
    Mem: Gasol/ Gasol
    Mia: Wade/ Wade
    Mil: Bogut/ Salmons
    Min: Milicic/ Sessions
    NJ: Dooling/ Dooling
    Nyk: Walker/ Jeffries
    Noh: Paul/ Paul
    Orl: Howard/ Howard
    Phi: Iverson/ Iverson
    Pho: Nash/ Frye
    Por: Miller/ Camby
    Sac: Rodriguez/ Rodriguez
    Sas: Ginobili/ Ginobili
    Tor: Belinelli/ Belinelli
    Uta: Williams/ Williams
    Was: Livingston/ Livingston
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    Iverson?????? :jaw:
  3. TaS

    TaS All-Star Forum Donor

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    Some interesting season ending stats for our squad:

    True Shooting Percentage leader = Austin Daye at .546 (in a virtual tie with Jerebko at .545)

    Player efficiency rating leader = Charlie V and Tay in a tie. Charlie V was also surprisingly 2nd on the team in block percentage behind Ben Wallace.

    Defensive rebounding percentage leader = Kwame Brown

    Clutch scoring leader per 48 minutes = Rip Hamilton, who was 5th in the entire NBA.

    Offensive Win Shares leader = Jonas Jerebko.

    3 point makes per game leader = Charlie V.


    Other notes on Charlie V... he was 2nd on the team in total field goals for the year, which was a full 70 ahead of the 3rd place player. He had 24 more 3 point makes than the 2nd player, Ben Gordon and he shot .030 better from deep. He was 2nd on the team in blocks, and way ahead of 3rd place.

    And man did he suck.


    One other note. Ben Wallace led the entire NBA in offensive rebounding percentage. That is very impressive for any age, but especially for his, when he could have already retired.
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    TaS All-Star Forum Donor

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    DEFENSE!

    The top 13 defensive teams all made the playoffs. 15 out of the top 16 defensive teams in the leage made the playoffs. The lone exception was the Suns, who were 23rd in defense, but had the #1 offense by a huge margin (115.3 points/100 vs. 111.9 for the next highest scoring team).

    When you sort by offense, you see that there were 4 teams that were below average in offense, but who still made the playoffs (Heat, Bucks, Bobcats, and Bulls). So, it is clear that you need both, but defense seems like the more important of the 2.

    Every Celtic players seems brainwashed to only want to discuss defense in interviews.

    It hasn't gone out of style and never will.
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    LA Dre All-Star 1x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    so where were the Pistons in these categories?? I know we were in the bottom five in offense, but how did our D stack up.....especially compared to our D in 03, 04, 05, 06 and 07??
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    We were the 21st offensive team and the 26th defensive team.

    The teams that were worse than us were the Knicks, Wolves, Warriors, and Raptors.

    If we didn't have Ben Wallace, I guarantee that we would have been in dead last. In terms of eFG% allowed, we were dead last. In terms of eFG% on offense, we were 2nd to last.

    That is a very bad combination. Easiest team to shoot against and 2nd worst shooting team.
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    Thanks for the stats, TaS. I really enjoy them since I'm a nerd. :nerd:
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    Just going a little deeper on the previous comment about offense vs. defense. eFG% is a pretty key metric.

    Only 1 team below the league average in eFG% allowed made the playoffs. That means that if you were a worse than average defensive team, you had a 7% chance of making the playoffs.

    7 teams below the league average in eFG% made the playoffs. So, if you were a worse than average offensive team, then you had a 41% chance of making the playoffs.


    On an unrelated topic, here is something strange that I noticed. Both the Warriors and the Suns are very fast paced teams. They are 1st and 4th in terms of pace respectively. However, the Warriors led the lead in forced turnover percentage and the Suns were dead last.
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    LA Dre All-Star 1x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    Things that make you go hmmm


    Thanks for the stats TaS....are getting this info from some NBA stat application from your new IPAD?
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    TaS All-Star Forum Donor

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    Mainly just sorting on basketball-reference.com.

    Just a couple more ramblings:

    Detroit allowed the fewest field goal attempts in the NBA this season, which was almost a thousand less than what the Suns allowed. However, only 6 teams in the league allowed more 3-pointers to be made against them than we did. To me, that means that our defense was decent on the interior and very weak on the perimeter.

    While we were 2nd in the leage in offensive rebounds, we were dead last in defensive rebounds. This is closely related to the fact that we missed at a leage leading rate and allowed our opponents to score very efficiently. Lots of offensive rebound chances and relatively few defensive rebound opportunities.

    What has happened to the "no fly zone"?
    Total blocks by the Pistons per season since the ship...
    03-04: 570 (1st)
    04-05: 497 (3rd)
    05-06: 490 (3rd)
    06-07: 472 (2nd)
    07-08: 472 (3rd)
    08-09: 377 (19th)
    09-10: 313 (27th)

    Fell off the cliff.

    In terms of guarding the perimeter, we were the top team in the league in 2004 and allowed .302 shooting from 3-point land. This season, we were 28th in the league and allowed .375.

    To give you some perspective on how bad that is, keep in mind that no player on the Pistons averaged above that from deep and we allowed the entire league to do it against us. Tay was tops at .370. It was like open shooting at the gym I guess.
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    The opposite end of spectrum in the rebounds is mind boggling....that means if we had been last in both, we may had less wins than the Nets.....and a better shot at the # 1 pick

    Do we give Flip any credit for those blue years above?? Without looking at the BBref, I am thinking the scoring defense is probably in line with these blocks as we should have been in the top three in D during his tenure.
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    Did some calculations on what kind of value we got for our salaries this year.

    Amt paid per game played:
    Lowest was Jerebko at $5,720
    Highest was Rip at $252,717

    In terms of minutes played, the best values were:
    Jerebko
    Bynum
    Wallace
    Stuckey

    bottom three were
    Kwame
    Wilcox
    Rip Hamilton

    In terms of baskets made:
    Jerebko got $1,578 for each one
    Kwame got $66,129 for each one

    In terms of 3 pointers made:
    Jerebko got $12,711 for each one
    Prince got $382,384 for each one

    Free throws:
    Jerebko at $3,661
    Prince at $147,491

    Offensive rebounds:
    Jerebko at $2,359
    Rip at $387,500

    Total rebounds:
    Jerebko at only $957!!!
    Rip at $95,287

    Assists:
    Bynum at $2,917
    Wilcox at $230,769

    Steals:
    Jerebko at $5,792
    Rip at $387,500

    Blocks:
    Ben Wallace at $15,553
    Rip Hamilton at $3,875,000

    Points:
    Jerebko at $618
    Kwame at $26,115


    Conclusion... Jerebko was a good value and significantly overperformed for his contract amount. We got RIPped off on Rip and Tay due to their injuries and sub par years. We also wasted money on Kwame and Wilcox. They didn't do much and got paid for being big bench warmers.

    For every 3-pointer Tay burried, the Pistons could have fed 1,000 starving children, built a well, and erected a school somewhere!
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    We need to stir the pot, get 2T4Y all fired up.

    What was Stuckey vs Bynum in all cats? :stirthepot:
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    TaS All-Star Forum Donor

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    Well, it's not really a fair comparison since Bynum was injured for so many games and didn't get as much playing time...

    but he still whooped his butt!

    Per game played:
    Bynum $13,103
    Stuckey $24,727

    Per minute played:
    Bynum $495
    Stuckey $722

    Per FG made:
    Bynum $3,483
    Stuckey $4,020

    Per 3 pointer made:
    Bynum $68,791
    Stuckey $100,280

    Per FT made:
    Bynum $5,813
    Stuckey $6,037

    Per rebound:
    Bynum $5,813
    Stuckey $6,424

    Per assist:
    Bynum $2,917
    Stuckey $5,187

    Per Steal:
    Bynum $15,009
    Stuckey $17,872

    Per Block:
    Bynum $117,928
    Stuckey $150,420

    Per Point:
    Bynum $1,314
    Stuckey $1,486



    I should point out however, that although Bynum was cheaper in every category, they were both amazing values.

    To me, this season was defined by how much production we got out of 4 VERY cheap players: Ben Wallace, Rodney Stuckey, Jonus Jerebko, and Will Bynum.
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    Ben Gordon shot .321 from deep this year.

    The Magic essentially had 9 players who were equal or better.

    Redick .405
    Lewis .397
    Nelson .381
    Williams .380
    Pietrus .379
    Anderson .370
    Carter .367
    Johnson .333
    Barnes .319 (roughly equal to Gordon)

    They had 6 guys who shot better than our best (Tay).


    Having Dwight Howard in the paint might have had a little something to do with it, but they definitely stacked their roster with shooters as well to take advantage of it.
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    Just looking at some streaks since our ship in '04:

    Most games in a row with 5 or more assists:
    Nash: 90
    Kidd: 76
    Paul: 52
    Williams: 51
    Chauncey: 32

    Most games in a row with 8 or more assists:
    Williams: 34
    Nash: 29
    Paul: 18
    Billups: 12

    Most games in a row with at least 9 free throw makes, 1 three pointer, and 6 assists:
    Chauncey: 4
    Arenas/ Iverson/ Lebron/ Vince: 3

    Most games in a row with at least 5 free throws, 6 assists, and 3 or less turnovers:
    Chauncey: 7
    Arenas: 5
    Lebron/ Paul/ Williams/ Wade: 4


    Basically, trying to figure out what CB was better than others at statistically. 1) getting to the line and making, 2) assisting without turning it over, and 3) being a 3-point threat.

    It could be a decent game. Picking a player and trying to find 3 filters that put them at the top of the league.

    Player Streak Finder | Basketball-Reference.com
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    Streaks with > 2 blocks, < 1 turnover, < 2 fouls:

    5: Ben Wallace/ Eddie Griffin
    5: Amir Johnson/ McGee/ Przbilla

    Streaks with > 3 blocks off the bench:
    3: Darko/ Birdman
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    Pour out a 40oz for Eddie Griffin.
    - R.I.P.
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    I've been spending my time on that thing trying to find unflattering streaks for Darko and Amir. :stirthepot:

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