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  1. Laimbrane

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    "Besides Jordan, Falk has represented more than 100 other NBA players, and is generally considered to be the most influential player agent the NBA has seen."
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    We have the ability to outbid all others, right?
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    I didn't really mean what I posted. I was just quoting Tas post and saying I completely agreed with something Tas didn't even say....
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    JJ Hickson today had 25 rebounds, of which 15 were offensive - in only 30 minutes. Pretty impressive. He smashed the record for OR in 30 mins or less court time*, surpassing 8 guys on 12. The overall record for OR in a game is held by both Rodman and Oakley on 18.
    He also joins Rodman (27) and Lorenzen Wright (25) as the only guys to have 25 or more total rebounds in 30 or less mins.

    While looking at this I found these rather curious offensive rebounding box scores. Pretty crazy.
    O-Rebounds >10 with zero D-Rebounds

    If anyone knows a site that has stats going back further than bball-reference.com, let me know!

    *Since 1985-86
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    Ain't easy doing that in the nba. You have to be a freak.
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    For what it's worth, the Pistons are 19-17 against the Eastern Conference. Only five other teams in the East have a better conference record.
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    And we've beaten the spurs, heat, and pacers.

    Our upside is higher than most teams with our record. Given that we've had almost complete turnover, another coaching disaster, and the youngest average age for a starting roster, we could really use a big lottery win to set us up for next year.
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    Check out the floor spacing that we had when we played Bynum, 3 shooters, and Drummond. In almost every single sequence, we have 3 shooters camped out at the arc with one in each corner and one strong side, Drummond in the paint, and Bynum with tons of room to drive. It was the Magic model and it worked fairly well, especially as a change of pace and with a bench unit. And this example was against one of the league's best defenses.

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    Lee should watch that video in triple slowmo.
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    Obviously you can't gauge by one single game, but that there is some compelling stuff. If you start Jennings/Pope/Singler/Smith/Monroe for a tougher, more defensive starting lineup (since Drummond's defensive IQ needs improvement), and bring in a second unit of Bynum + shooters + Drummond, you could probably replicate that type of success, and do so without alienating Smith or Monroe (who's in a contract year and probably will not be happy with sitting).
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    Also notice that there is so much space that there is no need for pick setting. Will doesn't need a pick to get by his man. The more isolated he is, the better. Then he'll drive right at Drummond's defender and either score, dump it to dre, or kick to the perimeter if the d collapses on him. If you have a pg like WB, their only defense against this is to sag way off him or have a good offense on the other end. He hits 3's at just a good enough rate that sagging gets punished.

    Now, you put Will in the game with out floor spacers and you have problems. His act looks teen wolfy as he drives into traffic and turns it over or gets blocked.
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    So now that we're 15 games into the Loyer era, I thought it would be interesting to compare team stats during the Cheeks regime and the Loyer regime. Obviously they're at different sample sizes, but it's worth a look anyway.


    Team vs. opponent before Cheeks' firing (50 games):
    100.1 to 102.7
    FGM/FGA (FG%) 3PM/3PA (3P%) FTM/FTA (FT%) ORB/TRB Ast/TO (ratio) Stl Blk PF
    38.4/85.7 (.448) 6/19.4 (.310) 17.3/26.0 (.664) 14.6/45.2 20.4/15.0 (1.36:1) 8.9 5.2 20.4
    38.2/81.9 (.466) 8.1/22.0 (.367) 18.2/23.6 (.770) 10.7/42.2 23.6/15.8 (1.49:1) 9.0 4.7 20.9

    Team vs. opponent after Cheeks' firing (15 games):
    103.5 to 106.6
    FGM/FGA (FG%) 3PM/3PA (3P%) FTM/FTA (FT%) ORB/TRB Ast/TO (ratio) Stl Blk PF
    40.7/90.3 (.451) 4.9/15.7 (.315) 17.2/24.5 (.703) 14.0/44.9 22.4/11.3 (1.98:1) 7.9 5.1 20.1
    40.3/84.8 (.475) 8.5/23.5 (.364) 17.5/24.5 (.715) 11.3/44.0 26.1/13.4 (1.95:1) 6.1 5.2 19.7


    The team is playing at a higher pace, but so are opponents. Opponents are shooting a slightly higher percentage now, probably due to that higher pace, but they are also shooting a much lower FT%. The other big issue is that the team isn't generating turnovers at as high a rate, which is interesting.
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    Detroit's performance by quarter this year.
    Qtr Team-Opp.
    1st 25.7-26.4
    2nd 26.1-25.7
    3rd 25.5-25.3
    4th 22.9-25.6

    Through three quarters, the Pistons are -0.1
    In the fourth, they are -2.7. Ugly, ugly, ugly.
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    All offense though. That points to coaching and pg.

    Also maybe a bit of being down most games and gambling with low EV possessions in last 5 minutes.
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    Average distance of field goal attempt:
    1.9': Drummond
    4.8: Monroe
    10.3: Bynum
    10.8: Stuckey
    12.3: Jerebko
    12.3: Smith
    13.1: Harrellson
    14.3: Singler
    15.6: KC Pope
    15.7: Jennings
    17.7: Villanueva
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    That's cool. Where did you find that?
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    At the bottom of the basketball reference team page. Never noticed it before.
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    Well, that explains things. Other than Moose and Dre, we are a mid-range jumpshot team that can't shoot.
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    It's the average, not the median though. So a guy could only have dunks and 3's and his average could be anywhere in between depending on the balance.
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    Could you get us the standard deviations, too, please?

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