The "You Don't Know Stuckey" Thread

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  1. RipBillupsRJC

    RipBillupsRJC Second Round Draft Pick

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    This thread is for ignorant comments, mostly from the media and message boards, you find about our own Stucknut.

    I will begin. FOX Sports on MSN - NBA - Power Rankings

    "Only the Pistons could start a three-guard lineup and still not have a point guard on the floor. Rodney Stuckey, Allen Iverson and Richard Hamilton aren't floor leaders, they're scorers, and their games don't complement each other."

    Stuckey has tremendous floor vision. Since being inserted into the starting line-up, he's been averaging 7.5 assists. Most of his assists, I've noticed, aren't "garbage assists" where a simple pass is needed. Stuckey threads passes into the paint at least twice a game and creates for his teammates with drives, feigned drives, and mid-jumper finds. And to say he's not a floor-leader is also ignorant. He calms everyone down and creates order in our half-court offense, kind of like Chauncey did.
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    I more go with the writer at this point. I see Afflalo as more of a floor leader vs. Stuckey. Let me see, the last 20 of 22 points, before Afflalo got onto the floor last game, Chicago scored. So where is the leadership from Stuckey? The two losses before that, we could not score when he came back in to run the show in the 2nd quarter. Nope, someday. Yes, the promise is there. But actually, we do no better with Stuckey running our point vs. AI running the point.

    Indeed, the two overriding circumstances that make us good vs. not lately - Afflalo on D, using an actual power forward in the game so we don't get killed on the glass. That 20-2 Chicago run ended when Afflalo came in for defense, and Maxiell came in to control the middle.

    If we had not played Afflalo, and not brought in JMAX or Amir, we would have ended up losing to Chicago by about 20 points. And Chicago is not exactly a top tier team.
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    Stuckey is making huge progress. I agree he is definitely a score-first guard, but he'll learn to lead the team over time.

    Afflalo is good on defense, but he isn't that good.

    When Afflalo is on the floor, the defensive rebounding is actually a little worse (72.3% vs. 70.0%). The opponents actually shoot more free throws when Afflalo is on the floor (30 vs. 23). The Pistons commit more turnovers when Afflalo is on the floor. The Pistons commit more fouls when Afflalo is on the floor.

    Aaron Afflalo of the Detroit Pistons, NBA player stats and data from 82games.com
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    no offense but ben gordon was lighting up both rip and afflalo in the 4th, even though AA was playing pretty decent D on him. afflalo is not a floor leader and he's not a PG. he's a complementary player and a SG who is effective because he knows his role and his limits and talents and plays within them.
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    Here is a case where stats lie. Remember, even though we are playing small ball at the moment, most of the season so far has been played with Tay at small forward. Since Afflalo plays all his minutes at small forward, you are comparing Afflalo, 6-5, vs. Tay, 6-9, on offensive rebounding. All you did was point out what is wrong with small ball.
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    Lee356 All-Star

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    Whoever was hot, we put Afflalo on him. And that player soon quit being hot. A hot player can make a tough shot with a hand up in his face, but that usually does not last long. Afflalo was used to cool off both Gordon and Hughes. Put it this way, who else would you have put on their hot shooter?
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    lindsey hunter!! :bow1:
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    Herrmann cooled down Dirk. He is our true defensive stopper.

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