Tigers Tigers 2012

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  1. LA Dre

    LA Dre All-Star 1x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    I think Cabrera has it. All 4 previous triple crown winners that missed the playoffs failed to win the MVP. There has never been a triple crown winner who made it to the playoffs to fail to get the award. And it has become pretty standard thinking that the TC has become more and more difficult to win as time has gone on. There are more specialists in the game that make standing out in all of these different categories more difficult. Also, there are more specialty pitchers in bullpens that are put in specifically to get through different parts of the lineup.

    Trout also has the rookie thing that will hurt him, sort of like how Verlander had the Cy Young thing working against him (where even Leyland was arguing that pitchers already have an award and shouldn't get the MVP). The ROY award will be seen as a nice consolation prize from voters who are torn between the two and they'll feel OK about themselves.

    What are the odds of the Tigers having the best pitcher and the best hitter in baseball? 1 in 90ish? We are very lucky fans. Hopefully we get to witness them playing to their full capabilities in the playoffs.


    Other thoughts...
    - Scherzer is back! 4 solid scoreless innings. Said all systems go. Does his start tonight mean that he won't pitch game 2 in Detroit? Scherzer has been better at home than on the road, but still one of our better road pitchers at 9-4. Maybe Fister goes game 2. Scherzer's game tonight was a warm up, so maybe it does put him in good position to go. Any news on this?

    - Austin Jackson got his average back up to .300. Great season.

    - Prince Fielder at .313 and his first MLB season hitting over .300. Way to live up to the enormous contract. Miguel Cabrera has both Jackson and Fielder to thank for his personal achievement this year, which will always be attached to him.

    - Verlander was 5-1 with a 1.93 ERA in September. He ends the year with the most K's, the second best ERA, and the most innings pitched. It's probably a 3 man race for the AL Cy Young. (on a side note, pretty good year for our former Fernando Rodney too).
     
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    Nice Triple Crown
     
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    I didn't know Beer.
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    Miggy took the triple crown. Now let's see if it means something other than an personal award.
     
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    LA Dre All-Star 1x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    79% of Sportsnation (85,000 votes ) gave the MVP to Cabrera...HOFamers like Yaz weighed in with a congrats as did Bud Selig......Congratulatory tweets came from Mike Trout, Barry Sanders and Lebron James.

    We must also note that last year, Verlander was the CYA, and also was the triple crown winner for pitching..as the leader in ERA, Wins and stikeouts..that and the WAR rating garnered him the MVP

    The last three batting triple crown winners also won the MVP .... Mantle, Frank Rob and Yaz. It should also be noted that when Ty Cobb won the Triple Crown in 1909, he led the league with a .377 average, 107 RBI and 9 HRs....and that was the best in the majors that year....
     
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    I wonder how many of those 9 HR were of the inside-the-park variety...
     
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    They all were.
    He also sole home 54 times our there about.
     
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    If I had a nickel for every time I soled home. :)
     
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    Looking at 3Crn numbers MC's are weakest. Most batted ~.350
    HR ~ =
    RBI , 137 is on the low end.
    A lot of the older guys played only 150 games a year.
     
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    We are in the post-steroid era.
     
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    That would be a filet of soled.
     
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    Tiger pitching took care of business today as the Tigers win without any production from Cabrera or Fielder who went a combined 0-7

    A's struckout 14 times including succumbing 11 times to Verlander.
     
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    My first time seeing Comerica- really impressed. Great game to go to... very stress free. Some great catches by the A's to keep it somewhat close until the end.

    If Oakland is going to beat us, they either need to beat Scherzer or Verlander.
     
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    BLISS
    RELIEVERS DID WELL TOO
    A's are scrappy, don't expect them to just fade away.
     
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    Once again, starting pitching is fine, but we need to score some early runs to allow the relievers some comfort....we have the advantage in batting box and need to show that muscle!!
     
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    Exciting game and win for the Tigers.

    Thanks to a pass balled that tied it 4-4 and the two run drop error by CoCo Crisp (the son of Honey Comb and Sugar Pops), the Tigers take advantage of the young A's mistakes and dodge a bad performance by Benoit and take the 2-0 lead. (The A's have never comeback to win a post season series down 0-2).

    Jim Leyland used his whole bench to pull this one out, inserting pinch hitters and pinch runners in the 8th inning which eventually got across the tying run on the passed ball with a man on second and third with two outs. First Berry strikes out with one out and then prior to Avila striking out, the balled gets passed the catcher and rolls to the screen to tie the game at 4. Talk about luck ??? The A's had tied the game at 3 with two steals by Coco and he scored on a pass/ball WP by Benoit.

    One item that probably won't be pointed out, but if the ball had hit Avila, then it would have just loaded the bases and the Tigers would have to have relied on Ajax to get the tying or winning runs in.

    Albuquerque throws two pitches, kisses the ball on a come backer and throws out Cespedes to get the win...Nice set up by Fister who struck out 8 (4BB), but Benoit and Coke were shaky at best.

    Thanks Don Kelly for the walk off sacrifice...and how about that throw from right field from Garcia that threw out Coco Crisp at the plate in the 3rd inning....or was it the 4th?
    Miggy with three hits and the got the key unearned runs in with the Coco drop..

    Will this be the last game at Comerica this season.....hope not...
     
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    Pretty surprising to see the Tigers up 2-0 going to the West Coast. I missed most of the two games as I was on vacation and in a place where I didn't have access to the Internet or TV. Talk about bad timing. A's helped us out a lot it looked like today. Can't believe Coco pulled a Willie Mays and then dropped the ball. That's OK. Good teams take advantage of that stuff. Having serious doubts about letting Benoit pitch in crucial times. He's regressed. Al Al could be this team's savior. Don Kelly played well in the offseason last year and he's picked it up. Looks like Leyland coached a good game from what I could tell.
     
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    I actually thought they would win both games at Comerica, thinking that Verlander and Fister would do their things....I did worry that our hitting would be an issue though.

    Leyland coached a good game using all of the bench, but you could see him over in the dugout seemingly crapping in his pants when Benoit let the A's runner steal second, third and eventually home on the passed ball.

    Then the home run to the guy who had already struck out 6 times in the series was the crapper capper. Putting Benoit in there almost backfired..especially when he had Coke and Dotel warming up.

    The A's are working the Tiger starters in getting the pitch count up in attempt to get to our bullpen.
     
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    Managerial masterpiece! Sort of.

    Benoit was great through the halfway point (2.25 ERA) and has really gotten shakier and shakier as the season goes by (5.52 ERA in 2nd half of season). My amateur analysis is that he's just throwing too many strikes. His velocity isn't quite high enough to get away with that.

    Coke has had a similar decline in the second half of the year with a 3.16 ERA down to a 5.82 ERA.

    Albequerque has still only given up one run on the season.

    It's not all so easy though. The situation that Leyland used Coke in was about as good of a situation as you could have for him. The problem is that Coke is just not that good. In a tie game, it was unclear how far the game would go, so you can't just burn out your studs.
     
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    Al has caused a furor with "The Kiss".....A's players, I mean sore losers are upset about it.

    The thing that amazed me is that the Yahoo story got over 3000 responses in less than 22 hours since the game ended.

    Al Alburquerque kisses ball before throwing it to first, angering A’s (Video) | Big League Stew - Yahoo! Sports

    Some of them were too funny not to pass on:

    "The ball was askin' for it with those curves"

    "So the guy who struck out 6 times in two games, and had to walk down the tunnel when he threw his bat and helmet in a tantrum wants to comment about what is or isn't immature?"

    "You don't want the pitcher to kiss it and throw you out? Then hit it farther..."
     

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