Tigers Tigers 2012

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  1. LA Dre

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    The Cards seem to peak and get hot in October...I would have preferred the Giants.

    If the Cards win tomorrow, they will have 4 days off too, so maybe they go cold too.

    just think if Verlander had not been partying with Kate Upton and trying show off his fast ball in the All-star game, we could been opening in Comerica.....of course the AL offense was as cold as this months Yanks, so my point maybe mute. :cheeky-smiley-012:
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    Looking forward- how does the pitching rotation go?

    Any way to fit in Verlander 3 times in a 7 game series?

    The most probable sequence:

    G1- Wednesday (Verlander)
    G2- Thursday (Fister)
    rest
    G3- Saturday (Scherzer)
    G4- Sunday (Sanchez)
    G5- Monday (Verlander)
    rest
    G6- Wednesday (Fister)
    G7- Thursday (Scherzer)


    The crazy scenario would be Verlander for G1, G4, and G7 with 3 days of rest in between starts. In 2009, CC was on pace to do it, but game 7 wasn't needed. Kurt Shilling did it in 2001. I'm sure there are more examples if you look through this list. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Series_starting_pitchers


    One possible strategy would be to see how game 1 goes before making the decision. For example, if the Tigers were up significantly in the game (like we were yesterday), take out Verlander after 7 innings and make sure that he's not overworked.

    The counterpoint is that all 4 starting pitchers have been so stellar so far that it isn't worth it to try to squeeze a little more out of JV and disrupting anybody's rhythm. In the JV 3 game scenario though, it would also open up the possibility of having the skipped starter available to close game 7. Imagine JV giving us 5 solid innings and then bringing in Scherzer for 4 innings of shutdown relief.

    Another interesting scenario would be seeing who comes out of our bullpen in a game 7 even with a normal rotation. I think that Randy Johnson did something like that when he was with AZ.


    Will be very interesting to see what the genius in the dugout does!
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    i think Cards and Tigs maybe 4x , World Series
    Robinson Cano, nussing , nussing
    how Yanks beat O's I'll never know
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    Kind of ironic that JV blew home field. Cause we need it.
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    yeah, I think there is something to that excessive rest thing when you consider their regular season routine was everyday. They won't see real breaking stuff for 5 days.
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    One more follow up on the pitching rotation- In 1984, Jack Morris pitched game 1 and game 4... both 9.0 inning complete games. So, he was on pace to pitch in a game 7 if it would have gone that far.

    Not only that, but Petry pitched game 2 and game 5 on short rest.

    Wilcox was the game 3 starter.

    In the 1968 WS against the Cardinals-
    McClain pitched game 1, 4, and 6 (not sure why game 6 instead of 7)
    Gibson pitched game 1, 4, and 7 for the Cards.


    If the Tigers shorten their rotation to 3 pitchers, it would be pretty interesting:

    G1- Verlander
    G2- Fister
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    G3- Scherzer/ Sanchez in relief
    G4- Verlander
    G5- Fister
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    G6- Scherzer/ Sanchez in relief
    G7- Verlander


    Man... this is turning into a rotations thread a bit.
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    In the 68 World Series.......the Tigers Just used 3 pitchers.
    McLain started games 1, 4, and 6.....
    Lolich started games 2, 5, and 7....
    Wilson started game 3...........

    Interesting that the Cardinals had 2 errors for the series...........while the Tigers committed 11...........:cold:


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    I was just looking at the reason for McClain going in game 6 on 2 days rest. Game 4 had a rain delay after the 3rd inning and they chose not to come back out with him. So, the 2 pitcher thing is a little bit skewed by that false start.

    31 wins by McClain in the regular season that year and his first 2 starts in the WS were poor. Looks like the 3rd time was a charm though.

    I don't think we'll win this year if we make 11 errors.
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    I'm concerned as to why they melted down in 2006. I know Rogers pine tar incident was the impetus.
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    I have a friend who's a Cards fan. He was asking me if bunting is allowed in the World Series. Tigers struggled with the other league's style of play and couldn't score. I think pitching is better this time around, but regardless of who the opponent will be it will be a tough series.
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    He must be very young M1973
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    Well, for one thing they had to much time on their hands....and reverted back to pre-spring training game shape....pitchers could not field balls and throw runners out without committing error. Hitters batting averages were just slightly better than these yanks they just beat.

    With the Giants winning tonight, the winner of the NL will only have possibly 2-3 days off and will still be geeked over their win., where our guys will have about the same time they had off last time..6.5 days...to become stale. So JL is calling up the practice squad to play similated games so they can stay fresh......if this works and they win in 5, then he gets everyone's vote to return to defend the championship next season.
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    Will be interesting to see Verlander and Fister bat in the first 2 games.

    I was wondering if Sanchez might be a good choice for the road games instead of home, but after looking at his batting record this year, it's a non factor. He's 3-30 with 18 strike outs and only 4 sacrifices.

    Verlander is 0-4 with 1K and 4 sacs. In his career, he's 0-24 at the plate.

    Fister 0-2 with 1 K.

    Scherzer 0-2 with 2 sacs.


    A big problem could be the distraction that it will cause in their preparation and in-game focus.
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    Why do you say that?
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    One more caveat here. Lohse would have to pitch game 7 for the Cards if they lose game 6. That would throw their rotation off and make it difficult to get him in twice in the series, unless they pitch him in game 3 of the WS with only 3 days rest.

    It would be better for us at this point if this series goes 7 for that reason.

    I'm also hopeful that Lohse is fluking and he'll revert back to his career average effectiveness. His year is quite an aberration.
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    Is bunting allowed...
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    Exactly Dre, Leyland played down to the comp. just enough to win. He knows how good this team is. But I didn't care for that method. War Delmon !
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    What are the odds two .543 teams make the WS ?
    When is the last time a team only 14 games above .500 made it to the WS ?
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    What are the odds two .543 teams make the WS ?
    When is the last time a team only 14 games above .500 made it to the WS ?
    no team did better than 51-30 at home just like Cards and Tigers but others had better road records.
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    I don't see the Tigers spending too much time on getting their pitchers to hit. Just assume they will strikeout. If they get a sacrifice bunt, it's a bonus.

    I'm predicting Verlander will get his first career hit in the World Series.
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    I bet he doesn't. All that talk about him hitting the ball is smack. lol

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