Tigers Tigers 2013

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  1. Nemo

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    The magic number of wins for Max is 20.
    If he doesn't hit this...than it's up for grabs.
    His numbers are still outstanding when comparing.

    (I fully expect BillLaimbeer to post numbers)

    :):):)
     
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    it also disspells the myth of bringing in your closer in a tie game to start the top of an inning....Leyland's cockiness costs us another game!
     
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    Max is in a groove with 12K's.....the Tigers have had a runner in every inning and yet they are holding on to 2-1 lead after 7??

    This is why I am afraid that their post season might be short.
     
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    Tigers lack of team speed has cost them 4 runs after 7 innings today....and Leyland's inability to adjust a starting lineup will cost us the World series...
    Any idiot (me) can see if you bat Iglesias 2nd and Hunter 6th , Tigers will be a better team:

    JACKSON
    IGLESIAS
    FIELDER
    CABRERA ...(SINCE HE IS HURT)
    mARTINEZ
    HUNTER
    INFANTE
    AVILA
    DIRKS
    ...
    THIS lineup will win World Series for us......

    also, Castellanos looks like a right handed Brennan Boesch to me...i think we should have kept a faster, tougher looking Garcia
     
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    Agree a lineup shake-up as it relates to changing the order may help but JL is a stubborn SOB when it comes to doing anything difference.
    Speed kills and just like that...there goes Max's 20th
     
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    Blame Smyly...u cant throww a ball in the dirt with ANY runner on 3rd!
     
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    Blame all of the hitters who did nothing with all of those runners on base. Fielder got three hits and never scored.

    Thanks for Avila for possibly winning the game after he and Smiley conspired to take the win from Max:biggrin:
     
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    I just called it here at the pool! I said if he just TURN on the ball!! LOL...
     
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    bit i have a baddddd feeling about this
     
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    Getting really tough to watch this team, but glad to see them win a close one. Max deserved much better today. Not only does this team have no speed, but they don't run the bases well either. There was a point early in the game when Santiago was on second and someone (can't remember who) hit a deep fly to right and the right fielder hit the wall when catching it. How Santiago didn't tag and go to third on that play, I will never know.
     
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    there was a good analysis of how many runs our lack of speed has cost us this year at motorcitybegals. it's a rounding error in the grand scheme of things. would help more in the post season with better pitching, but you gotta get there first. exchanging our great hitting players with faster guys wouldn't work out well for us.l unless it was for trout. pinch running late in playoff games is where it's at.
     
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    No speed and the 1st and 3rd base coaches not coordinating the efforts.

    With all the power we supposedly possess in the 3-4-5 hitters, these three are currently/probably the slowest guys on the team. Fielder is the heaviest and probably the fastest of the three. VMart is probably the slowest on the team which explains why he leads the team and probably the AL in GIDP. Surprised that he has those 31 doubles.....

    Miggy has been slowed by injury and believe it not he has not had a HR since August 26th and the double he got on Friday was his first extra base hit since then. He has only knocked in 3 runs this month and his lead over Davis is only 3 in the RBI category. With only 13 games remaining the quest for the triple crown is over. If he can get hot the next 5-6 games and lead the Tigers in the clincher games, then his MVP should be secured.

    But enough about individual crowns....the Tigers have to find a way to Mfg runs and the long ball has abandoned them lately with only Avila and Fielder getting them lately.

    It's a shame that Max pitched like the CYA winner today and couldn't get the W....but at least the voters saw him in action today and knows he deserves it.
     
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    ITS WHY the official scorer should award wins and losses
     
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    straight up lol
     
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    W's for a starting pitcher aren't very predictive. Think about how much we paid Sanchez after he had 3 straight losing seasons. The pitcher can't do anything on offense in the AL, so what's the point in paying attention to something that factors in offense 50%? Furthermore, the starting pitcher only controls about 60% of the "defense" after considering that fielders and the bullpen control the rest. So, roughly 80% of W's and L's are outside of a starting pitcher's control on their starts.

    There are so many specific measurements that you can look at that come closer to telling you how effective a pitcher is.
     
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    I looked up Scherzer, Sanchez and Fister before Dom traded for them and most of them had only 1 winning season. Sanchez had a 10-3 his second year. Scherzer was barely .500 but he had tons of SOs. Of course Fister got no run support out in Seattle.
     
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    What criteria would the official scorer use? You can't just make arbitrary decisions and call it a statistic. Players' contracts have incentives based on these numbers. Awards are given out based on these statistics. It would be a nightmare if 32 official scorers handed out wins and losses based on their whims of the day.
     
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    Porcello turns in another great pitching performance as have all the starters this past week. Runs seem to be at premium so they are going to have to find a way to manufacture them until Miggy can't get the long ball stroke going again.

    They grounded into 3 DP's tonight, so they are going to have to get aggressive on the bases and at least threaten to steal some bases instead of bouncing into DP's like they did in last years WS. No way Jackson should be involved in any DP situations like he was tonight. He should be stealing second before allowing the next batter the opportunity to double him up.

    Magic # should drop to 7 tonight if KC can hold on and beat the Indians.

    2 or 3 more starts for Slick Rick...if he turns in stellar performances the rest of the season, is he elevated to the 4th starter ahead Verlander Fister?:bs:
     
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    Who's playing well lately? Over the past 28 days, our hitters have really been on fire and have more than made up for Cabrera's injury related drop off.

    Last 28 day splits (rotation players sorted by batting average with OPS added for additional appreciation):

    1) Prince Fielder: .383/ 1.029! (dominating)
    2) Victor Martinez: .379/ .890
    3) Alex Avila: .364/ 1.031! (ludicrous turnaround for him)
    4) Austin Jackson: .330/ .878 (extremely important that he keeps this up)
    4.5) Brayan Pena: .313/ .647 (poor OPS for his average)
    5) Andy Dirks: .310/ .800
    6) Omar Infante: .309/ .777
    7) Jose Iglesias: .306/ .784
    8) Miguel Cabrera: .282/ .822 (great OPS for that average. Lots of walks)
    9) Tori Hunter: .240/ .676

    This is obviously great hitting and timing. 7 guys hitting over .300 in crunch time to pull away from Cleveland with a beat up Cabrera.


    All of the guys that have been disappointing all year have been on tears. Avila, VMart, and Fielder mainly and then Jackson and Dirks secondarily. Infante and Iglesias are maintaining their great hitting. The only slump on the team of the rotation players is Hunter, which isn't very concerning.



    On the pitching front, here is the last 5 starts by each starter:
    1) Sanchez: 2.48 ERA
    2) Scherzer: 3.72
    3) Porcello: 3.89
    4) Fister: 3.90
    5) Verlander: 4.41

    Who would have thunk that we'd be in position to win our division with Verlander being our 4th/5th best pitcher statistically? Down the stretch, when you'd think that he'd dig deep and find his magic, it's more of the same mediocre/ inconsistent results that have plagued him all year. It's a streaky game and we've seen hitters work through droughts and return to high levels, so let's hope that JV can do it. It's crazy to think that even without him, we'd have just about the most formidable 4 man rotation heading into the playoffs.

    Sanchez has been better than Scherzer, but doesn't have quite the same K mojo. In a 5 game series, hopefully it doesn't come down to a game 5 where it matters which guy gets the nod for game 1/5. In 7 game series, it really shouldn't matter. I just hope Leyland doesn't do anything crazy by bumping one of them behind Verlander.

    Scherzer/Sanchez/ Verlander/ Fister is the most likely order and I can't disagree with that. We'll need Verlander to come around if we are going to get back to the WS and have a chance and I trust him more than Fister in a game 7 scenario (higher potential due to his velocity and previous greatness).
     
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    Good stats TaS.

    The hitting has been good, but just getting the runs has been the issue w/o the long ball. We needed the HR's to take two from the Royals over the weekend and could have used one on Saturday in the Fister gem of a loss. Didn't need one today however.

    I know it is one game at a time and hopefully two magic # reductions at a time (like tonight).

    We trail the BoSox by 5.5 games, so we will concede the playing of the wild card team/winner to them.
    We just need to overtake the A's and assure that game 1 of the ALDS opens in Comerica on October 4th.
     
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