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Discussion in 'Football, Baseball, and Hockey' started by TheeTFD, Oct 24, 2013.
Alan Trammel took 9th place for manager of the year that 1st season.
Was that just for the American League only? They lost 119 games his first year and his 3 year total with the Tigers before JL took over was 186-300 ...or an average of 62-100....
I haven't seen anything spectacular from Brad Ausmus yet. I'm not sure how much you can "fire a team up" or "lay down the law" with a major league baseball team of veterans, but so far I give Ausmus a grade of "Blah".
Sanchez a one man show | Detroit Sports Nation Our best pitcher is getting no run support
Totally agree with this. You have to leave it up to a few players to be locker-room leaders and get on their teammates. I don't think the Tigers have had that for a while, and I don't see anyone on the current team doing it either. That's why Fielder (I suspect) was sent packing. Locker-room cancer. I bet it is rare this team has "players-only" meetings.
but last year didnt he lead the league in run support?? what goes around....
* Dude, you suspect therefore cancer ?
When would we get to see examples of this locker room leadership?
I could see Torii Hunter as a leader in the locker room. I'm shocked that was Scherzer's first career complete game. It came at the perfect time, though, as the division race is tightening up...
That's what happens when you are in the JL system of relying on a closer even when your starter has only 110 pitches and is pitching great. Ausmus yanked Sanchez out of a game last week when he was working on a tiger 1-0 lead in the ninth. Anibal got the first out, but when the second batter got on base, he was yanked and the Tigers lost that game 3-1 as AA and Nathan couldn't hold it or save it.
Those hits could have been outs too. The first was highly fieldable as cabrera tried to back hand a chopper. The last was the trapped ball with the review. Don't remember the 2nd hit. Best pitched game for us since the playoffs.
Beat reporters do mention players-only meetings occurring in their stories. I don't remember hearing much about this over the past several seasons. I can't think of anyone that is a locker-room leader on this team. Maybe Hunter as BL says, but who else? Hopefully, the rest of the starting pitchers watched Max go after the hitters last night instead of the usual going late in counts (Verlander, Sanchez, Smyly) and endless nibbling.
* I know what you mean but the race tightening up ? LOL floundering is the better term. Like fishes caught on a sand bar.
So not reading anything about players only meetings means there are no locker room leaders? What information are you using to draw your conclusion? The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
I watch interviews and read stories about the Tigers. I have seen no evidence in local media coverage that this team has a locker-room leader. Does it mean there aren't any? Not necessarily. Of course I am not in the locker room. Last I checked, conjecture is still OK when discussing sports. I'm not in a court of law here, am I? Here's something that is clear: This team continues to fall short of a WS title every year despite having great talent. I don't know if having locker-room leaders would help but having followed baseball and read about it for the past 40 years, great teams have had great leaders in the locker room. Based on what I have read and observed (observations do count as evidence, by the way), these Tigers teams do not fit that mold. They pay tons of money for ballplayers that do not gel at the right times. They need to care about winning collectively. Red Sox were a good example of this in 2004. Tigers ain't even close.
Not evidence, but interesting. http://www.portclintonnewsherald.com/article/C4/20140610/SPORTS02/306100050/Motor-City-Bengals-Do-Tigers-lack-leadership-
Who wears the "C" for the Tigers? Anybody? I think the last captain the team had was Ivan Rodriguez.
IMHO...Ivan wore the "C" because it stood for catcher.
Phil Coke is the leader.
Both Hunter and VMart have been mentioned as leaders. Neither Miggy nor Verlander have been mentioned as leaders although they are positive personalities. The team seems to have mostly positive personalities as opposed to negative types (like Fielder). Do they need a "fire-brand" in the clubhouse? I don't think so. I think the problem in the past playoffs has been: the bottom half of the line-up very susceptible to good pitching, and a bull pen with no real lights-out closers (neither Benoit or Valverde).
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