Time for the Pistons to rebuild no matter what's the outcome of this season!

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How is saying that he was a year late firing Flip out of context? And I didn't say that he didn't use any strategy, I said he wasn't as strategic and savy as he's been with player acquisition. lol. I don't think any of this is mind blowing news.

Wow, you're still sticking behind this guy. Unbelievable. Hopefully, Joe doesn't think like you. If he hasn't learned his lesson (hiring someone with no head coaching experience to attempt to win a championship), we could be looking at George Blaha behind the podium next. lol. BTW, just to point out another hole in your arguement.... Doc Rivers was once fired and later led a team to a championship. Riley, Jackson, Pop and Rudy T. have all loss in the playoffs before and later got the job done. There is a long list of coaches who have knocked on the door of becoming NBA champion. Joe chose to ignore their playoff experience and hire his friend. I gave you my listing of coaches before, listed their accomplishments and you chose not to reply directly to that thread. There is no need to build the arguement again. I'm just going to cross my fingers and hope that Joe figures out he needs to get some strong established talent behind the bench unless he is completely committed to rebuilding.

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Until he accumulates more points, I don't think it's totally unreasonable.

But they have more data. See with Curry, there is no selectivity. He's been pretty bad. Other guys, have both.

I think your argument is that Curry shouldn't be punished for the length of his resume, which I agree puts him at a disadvantage, but an honest one.

I think Joe went cheap personally.

Yeah, but you can't change now and expect to win a title. Coaches need time to get their system in, they need time to work with their talent.

This is it. We have to roll with it. Like Curry sitting on the sidelines, strap on your seatbelt!

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Hmmm...is that a true statement? In the last twenty years, I can only think of Riley. But, in all fairness I think Stan Van Gundy took over his existing system. So when Riley took it back over there probably wasn't that big of an adjustment to be made with the players. I dunno, brother. I think the season is still early enough where we could make adjustments on the fly since there is still reminants of the old system in place that worked. But hey, I could be wrong. I guess it depends on the replacement and how close his methods are to our existing system.

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If you think sitting next to Flip for a year usurps playoff Finals experience, what else needs to be said?

For some, the gap is much larger than others apparently.

It's how you lose that matters. Most jobs have a 30 day probational period to see if you are worth investing into. If you show complete incompetency in a short time, you are handed your walking papers. Curry's latest loss and his last interview come close in my opinion. For me it all comes down to expectations. If Joe is still attempting to "Win Now", I think he has to make a quick move. If his thought is to rebuild and this season is a wash as it pertains to championship aspirations, then watching him fuddle through how to coach makes sense. I don't know how many different ways to say it.

Obviously.

I get it, I get it. Playoff experience means nothing to you. To me that just means you would have made the same mistake Joe made. But hey, these are all just opinions, right? Besides, how do we even score who's right? Your approach has no accountability. If Curry stinks it up the entire year, you'll just say he was showing the weaknesses in the team. If Curry does well you'll say I told you so. One of the things I like about Joe is that he doesn't make excuses and he doesn't appear to accept them either.

If there was a such thing as an entry level position for a professional coach, I think it would be a young team with a plan for being championship ready that spans multiple years.

Moreover, I think a prerequisite for coaching a team you think has a shot at winning the championship should be playoff experience and at a bare minimum regular season experience. No coach in the history of the game has won in his first year of coaching. What in the world would make you think that Michael Curry is the anomaly? If we are not talking about winning a championship this year or the next, then this debate has wasted quite a bit of server space. lol.

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I have heard 30 games as a good benchmark before, I think it was Chuck Daly.

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Wow, an independent-of-the-party-line piece by McCosky. A pretty depressing one too.

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The only thing that is obvious to me in this thread, is that you can debate anything. lol.

Is it now? Please quote where I say Curry has no positive aspects. You won't find it. This is a matter of qualifications and you've yet to build an argument that shows he is more qualified than any other coach that was available given our situation. You're only argument has been no track record could mean good track record. Like much of anything, I think when hiring someone for a high level position. experience should be one of the driving factors. I understand that you don't rank it that high. Cool. I feel his lack of experience should have eliminated him from consideration immediately.

I respectfully disagree and I think there are alot of valid comparisons as it pertains to performance. BTW, where does 30% come from? I'd love to see that mathematical calculation. lol.

Interesting debate tactic. You attempt to convert my opinions to "absolute" declarations in order to build your argument. We know that absolutely anything is possible, however this is more about what gives you the highest probability for success. I am of the opinion that seeing that a first year coach has never won a championship and I can't remember the last time a coach with less than 5 years of experience has won the big one, it is not probable to believe that your approach is one that is very likely to succeed.

Again, I'm interested in the best chance of winning. This "absolute" talk is pretty frivolous conversation. We may as well be talking about how Oklahoma City can still win it all. Obviously, I am not in the minority with my thoughts. How many coaching changes have we seen so far this season? Like 4 or 5, I think. So, it looks like decisions can be made 20 games in...

I think that if Joe hired Michael Curry thinking he would win a championship this season, then it is a stupid decision. I believe this group still had a championship run in them. That opportunity is most likely wasted with the Curry hiring. And for the record, it appears that my beloved Pistons are under performing, developing poor habits and looking more disjointed than I've seen since before Rick Carlisle was hired. We have problems out scoring our opponents. Our defense is horrendous and its not just AI. We do not have composure down the stretch. Too often timeouts occur after the damage has already been done. Players are looking confused. Player body language does not reflect that of a winning team . Players are not playing with a sense of urgency. Effort is not consistent. Curry has yet to take accountability for any of these deficiencies. The shock factor of the Pistons playing a different style of basketball has appeared to have worn off and now the most feable of teams are exploiting our poor execution and effort.

That's what I see in the first 20 games.

..and I'm not impressed.