Today's Piston Pieces 8/10/09

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    Will Ben Wallace find a comfort zone? - Freep Staff


    "Can Wallace get back these last few miserable years of his career when he clearly was an unhappy, lost player with no constituency and more critics than fans?"

    • "You could see from the first day he was with the Bulls he wished he were back in Detroit." "I remember five games into his playing for the Bulls I wrote an obituary-like story saying Wallace's basketball career had died."

    Will Ben Wallace find a comfort zone? | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press?-




    A statistical look at the 2009-2010 Detroit Pistons roster
    Dave Dial - Mlive

    "With the signing of former Detroit Piston Ben Wallace, the roster for the 2009-2010 Detroit Pistons is almost set. There will be an addition of a third point guard, but unless Joe Dumars makes a significant trade before the season starts(which is possible), then the rotation portion of the Piston roster is set.

    I will use 82games.com and ESPN to try and take a statistical look at what the 2009-2010 Detroit Piston rotation will look like for the upcoming season. First, here is the Piston roster and a few interesting statistics for the players."

    "Looking at the Piston roster there are some interesting things to take into consideration. One is, there are no legit seven footers on the team. Kwame Brown comes the closest as a true big man, being 6'11 and weighing 270+ lbs. The other two 6'11 players on the team are Charlie Villanueva and Austin Daye. While Villanueva is a power forward and can patrol the paint, he isn't a true big man in the sense that he can guard players like Shaq, Yao or Dwight Howard. And Daye doesn't come close to being considered a big man, with his weight hovering around 200 lbs."

    A statistical look at the 2009-2010 Detroit Pistons roster - Full-Court Press





    Ten Most Intruiging Matchups on the Milwaukee Bucks' Schedule
    Mark Strotman - Bleacher Report

    "The 2009-2010 NBA schedules were released last week, and the Milwaukee Bucks received their list of 82 opponents of the regular season. The team went over a semi-makeover this off-season, getting rid of veterans Charlie Villanueva and Richard Jefferson and bringing in the young talent of Amir Johnson, Brandon Jennings, Jodie Meeks, and Hakim Warrick. Here’s a look at the ten most intriguing matchups that the Bucks will face this season in no particular order.

    1. Saturday, October 31st – Detroit Pistons vs. Milwaukee Bucks
    Charlie Villanueva will return to the Bradley Center in Milwaukee just two games into the season. Villanueva signed with the Pistons this offseason after not receiving a qualifying offer from the Bucks. Along with the additions of Ben Gordon and Ben Wallace, Villanueva and co. will look to spoil the Bucks’ home opener."

    Ten Most Intruiging Matchups on the Milwaukee Bucks' Schedule | Bleacher Report




    Hornets, Pistons and Clippers improve rosters
    Jeremiah Yap - Sports Betting Guide

    "The NBA offseason continues to be characterized with big trades and signings. It is shaping up to become one of the best NBA seasons in recent memory.

    Contenders like the Magic, Cavs, Spurs, Lakers and Celtics have improved their roster. Next NBA season will also feature a race between Bryant, O’Neal and Duncan on who’s going to get their fifth championship first.

    But let’s not get carried away with the contenders. NBA teams like the Detroit Pistons, New Orleans Hornets and Los Angeles Clippers have welcomed new editions to their roster.

    Detroit Pistons
    The Allen Iverson experiment didn’t work last season but the Pistons only took on Iverson’s contract to clear cap space. The Pistons believe that they have a legitimate chance of signing LeBron James when he becomes a free agent in 2010.

    While waiting for next summer, the Pistons have signed undersized shooting guard Ben Gordon and forward Charlie Villanueva. The Pistons are now stacked at the shooting guard position with Richard Hamilton and Gordon. It doesn’t make sense for the Pistons to sign Gordon because they should’ve signed a pure point guard to run their offense.

    Maybe Joe Dumars has not realized yet that Rodney Stuckey is not a pass-first guard and is incapable of running an offense. Gordon does bring added firepower to Detroit’s offense but he is a shoot-first guard that doesn’t play a lick of defense.

    Villanueva is also not known for his defensive skills. He will try to replace the offense, versatility and occasional defense of Rasheed Wallace."

    Hornets, Pistons and Clippers improve rosters | Sports betting bookmakers online in Australia




    You Can't Live In The Past
    Matt Musk - Millennium Sports

    "So why was Ben Wallace brought back to Detroit? Sentimental reasons? To make fans think that by bringing back one of their stars of the past it would miraculously turn back time and the Pistons would be championship contenders again?

    To me, it was just a pathetic excuse to cling to the past. The Pistons are supposed to be in a rebuilding mode. Their window of opportunity that they had with their past teams has now closed. The signing of Wallace actually weakens their team. The roster spot that he now occupies could have been filled by somebody that can help their team out in the future.

    When Joe Dumars first joined the front office of the Detroit Pistons, every personnel move that he made was the right one. Lately though, it seems like he’s hitting every button in sight, just hoping that it’s the one that will right the Pistons ship.

    Unfortunately, each year the ship seems to be taking on more water. The signing of Ben Wallace may have capsized it."

    Millennium Sports: You can't live in the past





    Now That We've Come To The End Of The Road
    Dr. Todd Boyd - Notorious Ph.D

    "When AI got to Detroit his flaws were all too obvious. He didn't finish at the basket. He would often drive baseline and then when there was nothing there, hurl the ball back across court resulting in numerous turnovers. There were many times when he would jump up in the air with no one to pass the ball to, resulting in more turnovers. His defense was most certainly not the answer. If he didn't get a steal he was toast. Earlier in his career, his quickness and ability to get anywhere he wanted to go on the floor at any time covered up a lot of flaws, but age can be unforgiving and so by last season as his speed advantage had diminished, these flaws were now readily evident. Without being able to pound the basketball and probe the defense for the majority of the shot clock, AI was now just another average player.

    Worst still was his attitude. I know, I know, all the haters are licking their chops right now, saying I told you so. I still don't want to have to concede the haters their point, but the reality is getting harder and harder to dispute. Allen didn't want to come off the bench even though his skills were not those of a starter last season. One suspects that his unwillingness to come off the bench is the reason no team has yet signed him this off season.

    AI has not dealt well with the aging process. His pride and ego are obscuring his vision. It would be a shame for no one to sign him. It would be a bigger shame if he decided to retire this year because he didn't want to come off the bench. Even going to play in Greece or some other foreign country wouldn't seem right, not for AI. If AI doesn't sign with an NBA team it will be a sad final chapter to what will most certainly still be a Hall of Fame career. Even if someone does sign him, it will be for a relatively small amount of money, considering his superstar legacy. No team is going to feature Allen Iveson now. No team is going to declare that he is their go-to guy. Those days have long passed. Either AI will accept the reality of his diminished skill set and the NBA's current financial circumstances and sign a deal or he might just disappear into post NBA oblivion too soon.

    AI was too great a player to go out like this, but the reality is that the fall from greatness to being average is only a short stop before you're out of the league. Better to bow out gracefully than to be forced out on terms other than your own. Sure, in time, all we'll remember are the glory days, but for now, this is not a good look for one of the greatest ever. Just because one was once great does not mean that one will remain great forever. Age does not discriminate."

    Notorious Ph.D.: Now That We've Come to the End of the Road...





    Jeremy Pargo Won't be Piston's Third Point Guard
    Dan Feldman - Piston Powered

    "Jeremy Pargo has signed with Hapoel Gilboa/Galil Elyon. (Hat tip: Ballin Europe).

    Pargo put up some decent number in the summer league as late addition to the Pistons’ roster.

    Sean Singletary and Andre Owens are now the frontrunners to become Detroit’s third point guard."

    PistonPowered » Blog Archive » Jeremy Pargo won’t be Pistons’ third point guard




    Evaluating The NBA Off-Season
    J. BEall - The Bleacher Seats

    "Arguably, the '09-'10 season will affect the league's landscape for the next decade. Why? Take a look at the list of NBA free agents in 2010. If Cleveland takes another step back, LeBron is sayonara. Same goes for D-Wade in Miami and Dirk in Dallas. Others, such as Amare and Bosh, will bid farewell to their respective teams no matter what their season outcome. Throw in Kobe's ability to opt out, and that's six franchise guys who could have new addresses in '10. And that's before we even begin discussing possible destinations for All-Stars like Paul Pierce, Yao Ming, Michael Redd, Ray Allen, T-Mac, Manu Ginobili, Carlos Boozer, and Joe Johnson. As a corollary to these future proceedings, teams are acting in three distinct thought processes: clearing up as much salary as possible for '10 (Knicks); going for broke for the '09-'10 title (Cleveland); or treating this like any other offseason and simply trying to improve the team (Oklahoma City). Here is a rundown of some of the more important transactions from the past summer, in no particular order:

    Boston Celtics. Addition: Rasheed Wallace – This would have been a great move if it was 2004. The 2008 Champs have one more Finals run in them, with Pierce, Allen, and Rajon Rondo all possibly bolting after the year. The Celts would have been wise to target a defensive-minded swingman (Trevor Ariza) or high-energy role player (Chris Anderson). Instead, they signed a washed-up, moody, shoot-first 35 year-old. Listen, I love 'Sheed and his pregame dances as much as the next guy, but this was a head-scratcher. Worse, this might hinder the development of Rondo, who had his coming out party in the first two rounds of the playoffs. Rather than bringing in a backup PG or defensive stopper to alleviate some of the weight on his shoulders, Rondo now has to figure out how to keep four scorers happy (Pierce, Allen, Garnett, Wallace). This will not end well.

    Detroit Pistons. Additions: Ben Gordon, Charlie Vilanueva - $90 million for CV and Gordon? Going out on a limb and saying the Pistons overpaid for that duo. Actually, change that. Vilanueva isn't a bad pick-up at $35 million for 5 years. CV will give you 16 and 7, as well as send your fans live Tweets from the locker room at halftime. But $55 mill for Gordon? Why that much when you already have Rip Hamilton? Wouldn't that money be more useful in pursuing Boozer or Bosh? And why do I keep asking myself these hypothetical questions? This bad boy is getting long, so let's start to wrap it up…"

    The Bleacher Seats: Evaluating the NBA Offseason
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    Matt Musk is a moron. We have 3 draft picks on the roster and Stuckey and Bynum. Its a f-n 1 year deal for 1 roster spot. The opportunity cost is very low and the benefit in mentoring potential is good. The 'overpaying' of BG arguement holds more merit. Its like saying drafting Plaisted ruined the franchise.
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    Here is another "non-lover" from ESPN.........


    How did the East teams fare in the offseason? John Hollinger offers an a la carte menu - ESPN
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    yea because detroit has been a place coaches have been for ages since daly.... isn't Flip the only coach since to get into a 3rd season?
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    I agree with Slippy.

    Plaisted ruined the franchise!

    Lets get him!

    we really need a pitchforks and torches smiley......

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    It's no different around the NBA, except Utah and anywhere Phil Jackson coaches. Here's an article from last December about it.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/18/sports/18coaches.html?_r=1

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    Say what??? What world does this guy live in? :smoke06:
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    Narnia?
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    How about: [​IMG]

    Or if you're really peeved:[​IMG]
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    Thanks Mack, I will try to add them later today.
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    Love it!
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    AWESOME MACK.
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    oh i wasn't complaining or anything just thought that comment in the article was just stupid... we have been turning over coaches at pretty fast pace whether we are winning or losing....

    if you want to make comments about things joe has changed... get your facts straight, if you think he was a genious 5 years ago, he got rid of 2 coaches in a row with 50 win seasons, and now when we have a losing record coach and gets rid of the coach its a sign he's now lost it?

    please
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    My comment was made in agreement with your post. :thumb:

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