Top 30 Foreign Born NBA Players - Darko #25 - No Piston On List

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    Judging on common sense and PER, it would seem that Kirilenko should not be ranked so high as this point. He is really struggling this year.

    Also, calling Ben Gordon foreign is really a technicality. To me, all that matters is where they developed their game. His was NY.
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    Where's Delfino? A lot of Argentinians on the list.
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    You have to realize who wrote the article.

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    Delphino needs to play more and hit his shots more consistently. He's played pretty solid D, he's good on the boards, he's good handling the ball, but he's an inconsistent scorer. If he could get that part of the game on the par with the others - I'm sure they'll find a spot for him on that list.
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    Besides Darko, who would you rank Delfino ahead of? There are some pretty deng good ballers on that list.
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    Delfino averages 16 mpg. There are no players on that list with that little playing time.

    Also, they are putting a lot of emphasis on PER. Is Carlos's PER better than any of those guys on the list?
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    So is Nash 'really' foreign? Was Hakeem Olajuwon?

    Now, calling U.S. citizens who were born in a U.S. territory and have lived their entire lives in the U.S. "foreign" is another matter.

    To answer 16 Mile/Laim's question, there is a very short list of players in the NBA who aren't worse than Anderson Varejão, and Delfino isn't one of them (neither are the eight players Hollinger's 'calculations' rank as worse than him, for that matter).
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    Hollinger says he's looking at the "BIG" picture, not just this years stats. I'd rather have Delfino than Raja, Garbajosa, or Varejao.

    Also, Delfino has a 12.83 Per, not great, but better than a few guys. Carlos will never have great stats playing under Flip's system and playing behind Tay, but his rebounding, defense, developing shot, and the intangibles make him a top 30 International player.
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    Not really. Canada = the US as far as I'm concerned.
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    Taking the Charge -- NBA offensive fouls drawn from 82games.com

    Varejao (sp?) takes more charges than anyone. Liked blocked shots, it has a huge deterent effect and is highly correlated to a player's +/-.

    For this reason, I would say that looking at the numbers doesn't quite do him justice.


    But, let's do the standard breakdown of Var vs. Delfino by adjusting CD's mpg to match Anderson's.

    AV vs. CD-
    23.9/ 23.9 min (carlos's min adjusted up from 16.7)
    6.8/ 7.4 pts (+0.6)
    6.7/ 4.6 rebs (-2.1)
    0.9/ 1.6 ast (+0.7)
    0.9/ 0.9 stl (even)
    0.6/ 0.1 blck (-0.5)
    0.8/ 1.1 turnovers (+0.3)

    Considering they play different positions, this is pretty non-conclusive.

    Roland Rating-
    AV = +0.1/ CD = -1.4

    Producton-
    AV = -1.6/ CD = -0.6

    +/- per 40 minutes played-
    AV= +5.03/ CD= +1.58

    Since Varejau played most of his minutes with Lebron and Delfino was with Hunter/Murray, this is not really conclusive either.


    They both play hard. :)
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    He's a flopper who rarely gets position, but nonetheless gets calls because he plays with the league's most prominent Nike spokesman.

    If Varejão played for the Bucks he wouldn't get playing time over Dan Gadzuric.
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    If Delfino started at SF and got 30+, he'd be at the top of assists and rebounds for his position. Think of Artest without offense and no brain damage.
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    I would love to see that on a player's scouting report.

    I'm not sure Delfino's D is on par with Artest's though. But I'm pretty sure about the Dain Bramage part.
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    Delfino has improved and showed some spurts this year that he can be a solid NBA player. The point is, though, that you can't put him on a Top 30 list based on 48-minute stats or special insight of his potential.

    I'm just hoping he can have a good post-season this year, especially when given the chance to contribute during meaningful, second-half minutes.
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    I agree, and he's been solid so far, except he can't make his shots. That'be a great help, probably would give Tay more time off and give Carlos more playing time.
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    Delfino has the same problems as a lot of young players. They struggle with consistency. He's shown he can shoot from the perimeter, that he can defend tenaciously and that he will get rebounds in the paint.

    The key for Carlos next year (contract season) is to put it all together in bunches of games.
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    so true. his value is in flopping and setting illegal screens to get lebron easy drives to the basket, and this is never called since it's for #23.

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