Vegas Shakedown?

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  1. max

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    I was trying to figure out what the All-star game was doing in Vegas in the 1st place? Usually leagues use this venue to throw a bone at an established francise's city by having a current NBA team host it so they can cash in on the tourist dollars. Not this year.

    Two cities, Sacramento and Seattle, are potentially on the relocation cutting block if the respective cities do no caugh up 500mil for new stadiums. The taxpayers of Sac recently voted down a bill that would have increased their sales tax to pay for an arena. The Maloofs have also indicated that they would be willing to set up shop in Vegas if they had to.

    So could All-Star in Vegas be all about Stern trying to strong arm Sac into comming up with an extra 500mil or else? There is also the issue of legalized sports gambling in Vegas which the Casinos will not give up, no Problem - Stern is willing to compromise.

    Here is one of the articles.

    Both Las Vegas and the NBA understand something about greed - NBA - Yahoo! Sports
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    For reasons I have stated before, legalized Vegas gambling presents a lot of problems for the NBA.

    I think it is likely that Stern is using Vegas as a potential dummy to better his negotiating position in Seattle and Sacramento.

    The reality is that the facility in LV is not NBA quality, and it would take at least 2 years to finance and build a new one.
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    I can picture all the scandles already. This is also in direct contrast to the leagues earlier stance back in the 90's that gambling was not the kind of message for kids. Jordan can attest to this.

    take 2007 All-star game in vegas, events in a casino hotel, Lebran James ( the new Jordan) dealing Poker at a celebrity tourny.

    They have no leg to stand on if they try calling out anymore players for excessive gambling is all I am saying - unless of course its bball related.
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    I'm thinking more along the lines of referee scrutiny.

    With millions on the line, a series with a lot of Dwyane Wade foul calls, or a Jerry Stackhouse suspension for what was basically just a good hard foul would have the potential to spark an anti-trust lawsuit. Same with the technical zero tolerance. If you are tossing Carmelo Anthony out of a game that is being bet on in Vegas, and played in Vegas, the definition and application of the rule could be called into question.

    This is why the NFL wants nothing to do with legalized gambling.
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    Guys, this isn't the mob era anymore. You don't need to be in Vegas to have crooked officiating, players with under the table ties, or shady money changing hands with a maze of "conflicts of interest."

    That stuff can all take care of itself with or without the arena being 5-10 miles off the strip. These types of inproprieties don't need proximity anymore to be effective.

    Stern is just holding on to an antiquated concept of what placing a team in Vegas might invite. Sportsbooks all over the strip and bookies all over the country are already taking bets on the sport. If there aren't any major scandals over this now, there won't be. There's an old street saying that goes, "Don't s**t where you eat." Which most of you know goes to: People involved in gambling wouldn't want to touch anything near Las Vegas because it would be so obvious, they'd fail before they started.

    IMO, this is a non-issue that Stern is turning into an issue.
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    I agree with the Low's take on this. The gambling issue as it relates to the bookies maybe overated and out dated. I think the real issue may be with the players probably betting and losing to much money at the tables and that info leaks out for bad press as it does now for Barkley and in the past with Jordan at Atlantic City. If the Maloofs can get some assistance in building their own arena there in Vegas, then the Kings will be there by 2010.
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    I know and I do agree with you on that point. My points were

    #1 - Possibly using Vegas as a threat to get the good people of Sac to foot the bill for a new 500mil stadium. Ask yourself, would you want to pay extra sales tax for a new stadium? Who would? Unless you were guranteed a tax refund when they starting making money on it.

    #2 - The hypocracy of blasting players in the past like MJ for non-sports betting and here we are having the all-star contest in Vegas with players openly gambling, engaging in the same activities that were froned on in the not too distant past.

    #3 - Some existing teams city who has already been supporting the NBA just got ripped out of a weekend of tourist dollars. I know its not exactly the Superbowl but its better than nothing. What has Vegas done to deserve the honor?

    #4 - Wrong message is being sent to all the young fans around the country. Stern used to care about that.
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    I get that point, but I really don't see it playing out that way. Stern is probably the only one who was trying to push the Maloofs to stay in Sac. The Maloofs have a rooting/business interest in moving the team and I really don't think it's about holding Sacramento hostage.

    Heck, Wal-Mart gets bigger tax breaks and that's just something that businesses do to save their own pockets. If the people don't support it, I don't blame them. If they do support it, it just goes to show how badly they want that team in their city.

    I agree there's a perceived hypocracy, but what's worse....frowning on it, but not doing anything about it, or pretending it doesn't exist because there's no team in vegas. I think they're pretty even. People go to Vegas and the entire world knows why they all go to Vegas.

    It made itself into Vegas. Basically that's all they had to do. They made themselves the (arguably) #1 tourist destination on earth where people the world over can come, party, and basically cut loose in a completely different world. Outside of New York, no other city is a definite desitination in the US for tourists who are looking to have a good time (good time being the operative word - not site see or relax).

    Yeah, but for my money it's not the NBA's job to raise kids. They can have a huge bash in Vegas and they don't have to lie to children to do it. People just have to be honest with themselves about the money, the lights, and the glitter....all the stuff that Vegas is famous for and is unltimately ideal for all of the self promoting showboating that the NBA allows itself to engage in once a year as opposed to the rest of the season when they spend all their time telling everyone how bad "showboating" is.
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    Hey low, did you get in on any of the festivities?
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    Thing is Low you are somewhat amune to it since you live there. Vegas has chewed up many lives chansing that illusion. What I do I know, I have never been there and you live there.

    I know its not the NBA's job to raise kids but like it or not they do look up to them. Stern himself took on that challenge in the past by declaring that gambling is not the kind of image he wants to portray to kids. Unless there is money involved I guess.

    Whatever, go there. Setup a francise and we can all guess who the next NBA player will be to declare bankruptcy.
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    I DO understand where you are coming from.

    I just think Stern's love of money will win over any moral issues he may claim he has.

    But, I don't believe anything until I see it. I suspect Stern will fight it tooth and nail, but then again, the owners could always vote him out and replace him if they felt they really wanted to make it happen.

    At the very least, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
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    Nah man, that thing is a sham and I had no interest in hanging out down there with the rest of the costume jewelry trying to be seen standing next to somebody famous.

    Just lame.


    ...But, I DID go see Charlie Murphy at House of Blues on Sunday ...... GREAT SHOW!
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    Pretty scathing article here...

    Clowned by Ricky Bobby? The NBA should be embarrassed

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    Without defending gambling, the corporations that run the mega resorts here can't have a "side" on any sports contest. Any unusual betting on any side will attract attention. They win because the "vigorish" [10%, 10 for 11 on winning bets] is their take, [win]. The sports bettor bets on either side of the line which keeps the "handle" even on both sides of the line. No RISK.
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    Note: SnoopDog didn't come to Vegas because he knew better than to get caught up in some of the Rapper Parties here. The Low may have been feeling this.
    Only 342 people arrested over the 4 day weekend with only 3 or 4 shot dead and wounded.
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