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  1. raxrets

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    but for pistons...unattractive. TMACs salary is not worth of trading and trading for picks...in this case picks must be higher than 25-30 at the first round.
     
  2. Ernie the Slow Adult

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    What about Tay straight up for Butler + Arnie's recuperative magic and/or expiring deal?

    Butler can't play so that would free minutes for everyone else (like the 3 guard lineup!) and they'd still have cap space at the end of the year.

    I wouldn't mind trading for Nash if he'd agree to go over to Europe for a few years.
     
  3. BillLaimbeer

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    Exactly....it depends on what you get back in return....or if you can package someone you're trying to get rid of (Rip, Maxiel) in the deal.
     
  4. Brap

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    Three different cases with Rip, Tay and TMac

    Rip: At this point, Joe could justify trading him for a mere expiring contract.

    Tay: He's already on an expiring contract, so we aren't just dumping him. It's tricky getting value for him because he has a large contract and it's tough to match him up in a trade, since we can't take long term high salary guys back in return. So we need a guy like Butler + a pick for him. If we don't get value, we don't trade him. He's a guy who could put a team over the top for a championship.

    TMac: He's easily the most tradeable guy we have, either 1:1 for a good young power player buried in a contender's rotation, a #1 pick, or combined with Tay, Rip, Maxiell, Wilcox, Summers - guys like that, in more of a blockbuster type trade. I still say that given how effective he is now for us, and given his super BB experience and great IQ for the game - that he'd be a key rotation guy on any of the contending teams. He could definitely be the missing piece for a championship team. He's every bit as good a player now as Tay is.
     
  5. BillLaimbeer

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    I wouldn't be opposed to bringing TMac back next season. He could teach these young guys a lot about the game. You have to get rid of Tay and Rip, though, to free up playing time.
     
  6. Brap

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    Bringing TMac back would involve a multi-year deal for a lot more money. We're rebuilding, and while I get your argument, we really need the ball in Stuckey's, Daye's and Monroe's hands, and perhaps in the hands of our #1 pick. TMac on the floor will control everything - Imo, that's a setback for the rebuilding of this team.

    My heart is set on trading him for something good.
     
  7. BillLaimbeer

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    I don't get this argument. Monroe executed some of the BEST offensive plays with T-Mac. Watch them in games. Those two are currently our BEST pick-n-roll combo on the team. Monroe is learning a lot more about offensive positioning, playing off the ball etc when McGrady's running the point.

    You put the ball in Stuckey's hands and the only youth you're developing is Stuckey.

    T-Mac of today is a great asset for this young team. Will he want to resign here? Would he sign for a reasonable amount? Will he get bored of the mother hen role and turn into a pouting Rip Hamverson 2.0? These are the real questions in my mind.
     
  10. hitafreethrow

    hitafreethrow Team Captain 1x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    T-Mac IMHO wants to win a championship, and I certainly do not blame him. During his prime, he was the man. There was Iverson, then T-Mac...He could go to any number of teams and compete for a title, and get paid the same he would here in Detroit. Hard to see him signing here for the same money as a contender could offer. He would fit nicely in Oklahoma City...
     
  11. Steve_OS

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    Billups
    Hamilton
    Anthony
    Humphries
    Lopez

    That's not a bad lineup to sport for NJN.


    And we'd get a big guy who is 4-23 from 3 point land this year with 2 blocked shots in 17 games... yet it probably makes sense for us too. Sadly, we need to unwind the contract that Joe Dumards went out of way to put in place just a short time ago.
     
  13. Winless Wonders

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    The Nets owner has only been to 4 games this year? Sounds like the Nets are a toy to him. It wouldn't surprise me if they bought RIP out if he is in the deal. Don't see why the Nets would have a need for 2 guards on the wrong side of 30.

    I rather get draft picks or young cheap talent than expiring contracts in a trade. Especially when there is not going to be any one out there of value to spend this expiring money on.
     
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    They probably want to win some games.
     
  15. coynejeremy

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    Thanks for the link, SteveOS!

    ESPN is reporting that NJ is trying to get us to bite on a slightly different deal, one that is decidedly worse for us.

    Sources: Nets discussing three-way trade for Carmelo Anthony with Nuggets, Pistons - ESPN New York

    We give up:
    Rip Hamilton
    A future first-round pick :eek:

    We get:
    Troy Murphy's expiring contract
    Johan Petro (7'0", 247lbs, 25 years old this month, 5th-year pro, in the first year of a 3-year, $10mil deal; career averages: 16.1 mpg, 4.9ppg, 4.0rpg, 0.6bpg, 2.6fpg)

    Some quotes:

    You had to go there, didn't you! :yellowprison:
     
  16. BillLaimbeer

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    Murphy has put up solid numbers in the past. He is just buried on the Nets bench right now...
     
  17. Laimbrane

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    Saw the ESPN article, and I just couldn't believe it...

    Sources: Nets discussing three-way trade for Carmelo Anthony with Nuggets, Pistons - ESPN New York

    "But a source close to the situation subsequently told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard that the three-way deal in its proposed form -- which would require the Pistons to take Nets center Johan Petro and surrender a first-round pick in addition to absorbing the expiring contract of Troy Murphy to the Pistons -- is not amenable to Detroit."

    Not amenable would be an understatement.

    In this scenario Detroit trades:
    Rip Hamilton
    1st round pick (high)
    for
    Johan Petro
    Troy Murphy

    If this is the type of offers that Joe is getting, it's no wonder he hasn't traded Hamilton yet. Petro (337th) and Murphy (376th) are two of the worst per-48-minute scorers in basketball. Petro is 55th amongst centers in rebounds per 48 while Murphy is at least a stout 30th amongst power forwards. I suppose Murphy is an expiring contract (Capp Spayce!), but Petro is signed at $3.25 million a year through 2013.

    Meanwhile, Hamilton, for his flaws, is averaging 25 pp48, which is more than both of them combined, and is making less money than both of them combined.

    And that's all not counting what is likely to be a top-10 pick thrown in.

    They must think Dumars is an idiot. We all pray he is not.
     
  18. KGREG

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    Billups ($13M) + Rip ($12.5M) + Melo ($17M) = $42.5M, the Nets need to send out about $34M to make that trade happen and they don't have the salaries to do that. Harris-$8M, Favors- $4M, Troy- $11M, Petro- $3.5M, Humphries- $3M is less than $30M, unless they have an idiot to take on Outlaws awful contract.
     
  19. mercury

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    Nice...
    Troy Murphy is Farrah Fawcett today.
    Petro = Arnold Schwarzenegger wannabe b4 being the Gov.


    Let's move on to better things
     
  20. NPFL

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    How much would this clear in salary cap for us toward signing a player in the off season?
     

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