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  1. 2Tough4You

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    What franchise player? This team doesn't have a franchise player.

    And unless one of Hamilton/Gordon gets moved this summer, I am absolutely against resigning Bynum, especially for the money he's probably going to want. There's just not enough minutes to play all of them without hampering ourselves defensively by playing small ball.
     
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    Why not to resign Bynum and trade him later if we can't give him his minutes? I think, he is a valuable asset.
     
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    I'd be more of the mindset to try and re-sign Bynum for as reasonable of a deal as possible, and moving Rip or BenGo come next year. Daye can play the 2, but if we dont resign Bynum, than Stuckey is really our "only point guard".
     
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    When you trade Chauncey Billups in his prime to clear a starter role, and ask AI to come off the bench for a guy, he is your franchise player.
     
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    so should we have traded Rip, Tay, and Stuckey for Perkins and Rondo?


    (The deal purportedly on the table this summer from Boston)
     
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    Well, Iverson wasn't moved to the bench. When Stuckey was first inserted into the starting lineup, he replaced Amir in the starting lineup (and moved Prince to the 4).

    But I suspect there will be a contingent of fans that will never warm up to Stuckey because subconsciously they "blame" him for Dumars trading away Billups, like Stuckey marched into Joe's office and said "it's either me or him".
     
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    Tay and Rip are worth a lot if healthy. Tay can fit in anywhere. A lot of teams will regret not adding Rip, contract and all. A lot of the top teams lack a scorer and upon failing, will realize it. Both players will be worth a lot this summer. The problem is they are not quite worth a young, impacting big--what the Pistons need.

    If the Pistons draft in the top 5, they should be able to get a big. Above 8 and I would packaged the pick and trade for a big.

    The Pistons are going nowhere without adding a key big even with Daye and JJ developing.
     
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    I was thrilled to see Billups moved, so that claim doesn't apply to me at all.

    And your explanation of what happened with Tay going to the 4 doesn't refute my premise either.

    A lot of things have been done to accommodate Stuckey starting. Joe has even said he is untouchable in trade.

    He is the franchise player. He just doesn't play like one.
     
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    blaming stuckey for all woes is naivity.

    ppl have unrealistic expectations about PG position. For instance it is not stuckeys fault that none of Pistons bigs is dangerous enough. As a result, when stuckey penetrates, D can target him, knowing that there is no bigs with solid mid range jumper. Even CV is not worth of doubleteaming.
     
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    That deal looks pretty good now.
     
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    Who did that? Where?
     
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    while i agree with you that we expect to much out of stuckey.... it wasn't the fans that made him the man on the mountain it was dumars that said Stuckey was the man.

    I think the team had to move a starter to start last year and had no issues with billiups being the one moved.. hindsight being used i'd like a team right now with billiups, Stuckey, Prince, JJ, and Wallace starting with Gorden and another free agent (don't have one to name) and the rookies coming off the bench.

    Though... would billiups be playing nearly as well the last 18 months if he was wearing a pistons uniform?
     
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    I think Dumars tried to trade the other guys. But no one really wanted our other players. Billups was the guy other teams coveted. And Joe panicked 3 games into the season with the Iverson swap.
     
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    do you assume that with unstable and unbalanced roster Billups can do better?

    dont treat billups like a saviour here, goddammit!


    Some forumites have very short memories: Billups was traded because of he had failed in POs 3 in a row and he was the leader of complacency...in short, his time in detroit was over, he needed serious wake up call...

    JoeD hoped that AI can be that joker, who was missing last 3 seasons in Pistons roster, especially in POs.

    Billups was the easiest to trade because of at this time Stuckey was the closest starting material.
     
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    Yes, he was, not at the PG spot.
     
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    Co-signed (except the swearing part lol)
     
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    I am defintely feeling you Thought4you. PREACH.
     
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    Billups still plays well in the regular season, during the playoffs, he fades away like a dram deferred. Look at last year's Denver playoffs.

    I agree with you, Billups is/was not our franchise savior, we may have won a few may games and faded in the playoffs as usual.
     
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    Still hold out hope that Billups will have a strong playoffs this season.
    I was ready to trade him when we did, but the franchise certainly went south after his departure.
    For that reason, I still miss him and wish him well.
     
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    Two reasons why Dumars needs Stuckey to succeed. He traded Darko for that #15 pick and it makes the Billups trade look better. Stuckey succededing would make up for Dumars 2 biggest blunders.
     

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