Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by professor, Jul 22, 2006.
Tayshaun's from Compton. He's not soft.
you don't think ben's attitude was negative?? you don't think ben's attitude and lack of pistons dna contributed to us not winning the championship. our team went on a downward spiral ever since ben refused to enter the game. he was the first to undermine flips authority. ben complained about getting enough shots when he had
no offensive game. you don't think not playing your hardest if you don't get enough touches on offense would qualify ben as dogging it on the court???
darko complained about minutes and that's it. every year darko came to training camp ripped up and ready to play. every year he was told more lies so yes this contributed to him taking his dna elsewhere. but on the court he definitely had it.
darko is unselfish, plays tough D, doesn't back down to nobody on the court, gave his all when it counted. he never refused to go into the game when the game was on the line like your supposed poster boy for pistons dna. darko was in that game dropping hook shots on the pistons. ben was on the bench like a coward.
bball....first of all I'd like to congratulate you for using a capital letter in your last post.
"darko is unselfish, plays tough D, doesn't back down to nobody on the court, gave his all when it counted. he never refused to go into the game when the game was on the line like your supposed poster boy for pistons dna"
As far as I can recall that is your first capital letter. Sometimes that first one can be the hardest.
I'm curious as to the origins of your Darko obsession. I base my conclusions about Darko on what I saw or reports that I read. You seem to have tapped in to some secret source of knowledge that defies logic.
The listless, apathetic shuffle footed Darko who seemed to want to be anywhere but on the basketball court in a Pistons uniform is transformed in your small letter mind into a hero of mythic proportions.
A talented and hardworking team leader who was cruelly misunderstood. You have a great imagination. If you ever get that capital letter thing figured out I think you could make a go of it as a fiction writer.
@ Bills with the capital barbs.
But seriously Jay, I was wondering the same thing. I can understand believing Darko may be a great player one day. He does have potential. But why must you jump to his defense when his faults are pointed out? It really doesn't make any sense.
I can understand it when People jump to Wallace's defense. I might not always agree, but it makes sense that people would be so loyal to him. Despite his faults he generally put a lot of heart into what he did and was a major contributor toward the Pistons success over the last few years. Not so with Darko.
Why the loyalty and passion for a guy who rode the bench and had nothing good to say about Detriot? Regardless (wow, that word looks weird. I'm used to seeing the other form.) of whose fault it was, I just want to know where the "love" comes from.
Basketbills and Darth, I would dearly love to answer your points, as I feel the same way as bballjay, but that would be 'threadcrapping', or whatever. Suffice it to say, I agree with jay and maybe for the same reasons.
Ben -- no longer near the top of the list, but still has it.
Darko -- antithesis of Pistons DNA.
Hill -- shouldn't be penalized for having a smooth game and a personality, even though wasn't clutch. Recall his last game as a piston, he was on one leg and still going at it. That's the sort of toughness we're looking for, no matter what the exterior looks like.
Lazy there are too many reliable sources that contradict you rosy opinion of Darko.
Here is a quote from our man on the sidelines during Summer League comparing the effort Samb gave compared to Darko's
LOW: Honestly, I wrote some of the stuff I did about Darko because he just didn’t try. I never had to sit there and wonder: “Damn, why didn’t he try to block that?” when I was watching Samb. I was never disappointed by Samb because his man denied him position and he gave up trying.
Can we keep this thread from becoming another Darko Battle Royale?
With all due respect Slippy I'd rather not have the direction of the discussion dictated to us. Let's let it flow.
If Darko as a football player what position would he play?.... a punter?
That's what he is on the hardwood, so it would be an easy transition...
Dictating would have ended with a period or exclamation mark.
Slippy ended his post with a question mark.
I think he was challenging posters, not issuing an ultimatum.
Wide Reciever, hed jump over people with his size and catch Td's all day.
or maybee a TE
Sorry Micro. I don't agree with you. I don't think a free flowing discussion needs to challenged to go in a different direction or whater euphemism you want to use. Let's let folks make up their own minds on what to talk about.
On the fence: Chauncey Billups
Mr. Big Shot started his Pistons career as the often traded, underappreciated, hard working guard with competitive fire. He put the team on his shoulders and won many close games for us over the last few years.
However, his (paraphrased) "I ain't worried, I was just tired" comments seem very removed from the Going to Work Mentality that seems to be a crucial gene in the DNA.
He'll bounce back. He won't get full of himself because there will be no MVP talks of him this coming season. If he doesn't bounce back I don't know the Chancey Billups I've seen these past couple years.
i think people gave darko a bad rap because it looked like he wasn't trying hard. he just had a laid back personality. when he got a steal and soared for the infamous "free throw line" dunk. he did it effortlessly and i think some people don't like that. they feel because you have loads of talent you aren't a hard worker. if you saw the diffence in his body from when he was a rookie you'd know he was a hard worker in the weight room at least. his jump shot, ball handling, passing ability all come from hard work since we all know it doesn't come from experience since he's barely played ever. yes after years on the bench darko got tired of garbage time and summer league under the lb regime. he dogged it a bit under the flip regime when he knew he had no chance to play. i think darko took his mutated pistons dna elsewhere where it would be appreciated.
in the preseason he led the nba in blocks. so while you listen to your boy low about whether darko is trying to block shots. i'll listen to stat man that's keeping his fingers busy trying to keep up with them (darko gets robbed of lots of blocks too). i've watched several orlando games so maybe that's why my view of him is so different. the kid is all out effort on defense. how many 7 footers do you see making backcourt steals??? how many 7 footers chase guards well out past the 3 point line on pick and rolls and still get back to their man?? darko also tries to block every shot possible unlike the 2006 playoffs layup line escort ben wallace.
i defend darko because i saw a talent and desire there when other people just chose to hate him because he was talented. the guy is a going to be a great player and we ran him out of town. i think he got a raw deal so i've always defended him. whether he does things effortlessly because of talent or works hard doesn't matter to me. he's a good player and at 21 he's better than any center we have on our team currently. he also would have been a better fit for us in the miami and cleveland series. we would be nba champions if we had a center that could defend and be an offensive threat.
Did anyone mention maintaining a tight locker room?
Getting along with your teammates?
Fitting in is very important.
Good post, jay. I guess I believe that because I have seen the same thing and find it beyond understanding to know that there are so many people who see it the other way .
They believe the same way about us, so I guess we are even.
Oh, except that they are wrong :fingerscr !!
darko does not have one thread of pistons' DNA in his body. he is the opposite of pistons DNA.
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